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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: <JB> http://espn.go.com/espnradio |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: <JB> you affected by that earthquake at all? You still in south americ. right? |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: You can also go to http://www.espn3.com to watch some of live games too. The multi-screen is pretty cool. =) Depending on your download speed, etc... |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: TCU 35, BYU 13, ouch, them Christians are killing the Latter Day Saints... |
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| Oct-28-11 | | Travis Bickle: It's getting late in the ballgame which reminds me of what Cubs announcer Harry Carey used to say, "the Big Possums come out late!" ; P |
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| Oct-28-11 | | Jim Bartle: Thanks, wannabe! Switching to radio broadcast.
Didn't even feel the earthquake here in Lima, though most other people did. I was on the phone to an office in Ohio at that time. |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: <JB> Yakking to fellow CG member, <Ol' Elvis>, I take it. =) |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: If St.L wins it, I am voting Ozzie Smith for MVP, if Rangers come back and win, I am voting Chuck Norris for MVP. With N. Ryan as second choice, and GW as third choice. |
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| Oct-28-11 | | Travis Bickle: There's a big Possum! |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: <JB> Before I forget, tomorrow's Stanford-USC game will be on http://www.espn3.com starting 5PM Pac. =) Going to be a good weekend with some futbol!! Next wee, we have LSU-'Bama for #1 vs. #2!! |
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Oct-28-11
 | | Phony Benoni: It's the eighth inning, and Texas is not coming back. Their body language is absolutely dead. |
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| Oct-28-11 | | Travis Bickle: Phony hows your QB doing? He had a bad ankle last week. The Bears are on a bye, they play Philadelphia after that on a Monday night game. |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> May be so, but somewhere in the world, Rangers won. http://www.thepostgame.com/features... |
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Oct-28-11
 | | WannaBe: Congratulations to the Rangers, you all have won a life-time supply of noogies and knuckle-sandwiches from your boss, N. Ryan for making him look foolish. Congratulations to T. LaRussa, who in the off-season, will guide the St.L Rams to a wild card birth on the last day of the season, by having S. Bradford kicking an eighty-four yard field goal as time expires. Then in an upset, the Rams beat N.O. Saints by a score of 35-28 where T. LaRussa came out to the field and changed the QB six times in the 4th quarter. After the two-minute warning. To further his legacy, the Rams beat N.Y. Giants by the score of 6-3, where the phone from booth to the sideline did not work, but S. Bradford and T. LaRussa was able to use 2 empty Campbell soup can and a string to communicate. In a game, where St.L Rams was an underdog by 35 1/2 points, the might GB Packers lost, by the score of 8-3; when asked, T. LaRussa said: "We went for two, because we didn't think squeezing on 4th down was an option." In the biggest mismatch since Joseph Stalin and What-is-his-name, the Rams, a 49 1/2 points underdog to the NE Patriots, won the game 4-3 to cap off an improbable run. T. LaRussa said: "That back-to-back two run home run was something, wasn't it? Pujols is our MVP." |
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| Oct-28-11 | | I play the Fred: I've had it with umpires calling balls and strikes. Chris Carpenter was getting calls at the knees that Rangers pitchers were not. Eliminate balls and strikes from the umpires' responibilities, and let the machine call them. |
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Oct-29-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <Travis> It's not yet official, but Stafford will start for the Lions on Sunday. The surest sign of this is that the Las Vegas oddsmakers are now taking bets on the game instead of keeping it off the board. <I Play the Fred> I dunno. The strike zone is three-dimensional, and must be judged not just on height and width but upon the position of the ball as it crosses the plate. The zone also varies from batter to batter; would the machine have to be recalibrated for each new hitter? And what happens when the hitter changes his stance during an at-bat, crouching or standing straighter depending on circumstances? This makes a difference from electronic line judges in tennis, which are making their "judgments" based on fixed points in space. On the other hand, they are universally accepted without complaint--right, JB? I suspect what you're asking for is consistency, for an umpire to call the same pitch the same way for both teams. It certainly seems like prejudice occurs, but incomplete anecdotal evidence can be misleading. If we think that Carpenter is favored, we expect him to be favored and focus on the minority of incidents where this seems to happen. It shouldn't be that hard to conduct a more comprehensive study to see if certain pitchers are penalized and others favored, and do it over a longer period of time than just a single game. If such bias exists, then it's time to consider steps. Although, knowing MLB, they'd settle for retraining the umpires. |
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| Oct-29-11 | | Travis Bickle: That brings up another problem. Tom Glavine former pitcher for the Braves had excellent control and was a very good pitcher. that said throughout his career because of his excellent control the umpires would give him strikes on the outside corner 3-4 inches off the plate all the time. I don't care how good a pitchers control is, you have to use the homeplate or get rid of it and call balls and strikes by sight. |
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| Oct-29-11 | | I play the Fred: <I suspect what you're asking for is consistency, for an umpire to call the same pitch the same way for both teams. It certainly seems like prejudice occurs, but incomplete anecdotal evidence can be misleading. If we think that Carpenter is favored, we expect him to be favored and focus on the minority of incidents where this seems to happen.> I'm not saying Carpenter was favored per se, but judging by the Fox Box, the same pitch Feldman threw for a ball four RBI was called a strike in the next half-inning. That wasn't my eyes saying so, that wasn't my rooting interest saying so, that's just what the Box showed. I'm certain that the Box isn't the best tool for this task, but it's a hell of a lot more accurate than human eyes. Human eyes which tire and are affected by the brain behind them, which may be influenced by the man on the hill, the managers in their dugouts, or the 30,000 screaming fans. We have other tools to help get the games right. We have foul lines. We have yellow lines on high-rise walls. We have replay. Why not this? Yes, I am angry that the Rangers lost - they should have closed them out in game six - but I'm really angry that two runs which shouldn't have scored did score. Like <Travis> mentioned, Glavine's reputation definitely bought him lots of strikes off the plate, and I wish a machine had been around to expose him for the fraud that he was. |
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Oct-29-11
 | | OhioChessFan: <IptF: I've had it with umpires calling balls and strikes. Chris Carpenter was getting calls at the knees that Rangers pitchers were not. Eliminate balls and strikes from the umpires' responibilities, and let the machine call them.> I was waiting for the announcers to address that. I have to go back to the Eric Gregg debacle to remember a worse case of ball/strike calling. It was beyond belief. FWIW, I was 100% in calling them correctly when they were shown on the replay. And 100% of the calls the ump got wrong were in favor of St. Louis. |
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Oct-29-11
 | | OhioChessFan: There was a strike called on Josh Hamilton that wasn't remotely close. It was at least 2 inches outside. Hamilton just smiled in disbelief. I said out loud "That wasn't remotely close." Tim McCarver said "That catches the outside corner." They show the Fox box and it's waaaaaaay outside. No comment from the announcers. |
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| Oct-29-11 | | Jim Bartle: Right, PB. Everybody accepts the tennis system of checking balls near the lines. There are almost no arguments, except sometimes whether a player made a challenge quickly enough. How about a machine that just calls balls inside or outside, and leaving high and low to the umps? Would make it easier. Molina walked, scoring a run, on a ball that was exactly where the previous "strike" had been thrown. Molina had started toward first on the previous pitch, and both were close, and I think the ump didn't have the nerve to call the second one a strike. It also may have made some difference that Molina is the catcher, and he and the ump are side by side for half the game. I do believe pitchers (such as Glavine) who are known for good control, and typically don't throw really hard, often get the breaks on close pitches. Greg Maddux seemed to get an awful lot of calls. In the same way batters who are considered to have a good eye don't seem to have as many strikes called against them, especially strike three. In his big years it seemed Wade Boggs could let any close strike two pitch go by and would rarely be called out. I wasn't watching on Fox, so no "pitch box," but when I've seen it, it looks to me as if it shows pitches farther inside or outside than they appear when just watching. |
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| Oct-29-11 | | Jim Bartle: Anybody remember back to the 1967 All-Star Game? The NL won 2-1 in 15 innings. There were 32 strikeouts, 11 of them on called strikes. The umpire was Ed Runge, and as I remember no pitch was too far outside, or too low. (At that time the strike zone was "bottom of the knees.") The pitchers and catchers caught on early (Joe Torre heard Runge tell Yastrzemski, "that's my strike zone," and started putting his target farther outside). It was also a twilight game starting at 5 p.m. in Anaheim, so vision was tough for the hitters. Then again, the NL lineup didn't have many real good hitters that year: Brock, Clemente, Aaron, Cepeda, Allen and Torre, with Mays and Rose on the bench. I suspect that game, along with the entire '68 season of course, had a lot to do with changing the strike zone and lowering the mound in 1969. http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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Oct-29-11
 | | WannaBe: <I Play the Fred: ... Glavine's reputation definitely bought him lots of strikes off the plate, and I wish a machine had been around to...> Reminds me of a funny story, possibly just an urban legend. Ted Williams took a pitch, the ump called it a ball. Catcher return the ball to the pitcher and ask the ump how that was a ball? The ump said, "Son, if that was a strike, Mr. Williams would have swung at it." :-)) |
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Oct-29-11
 | | WannaBe: Think my mom and dad just started dating in '67... |
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| Oct-29-11 | | A.G. Argent: Yeah, maybe they shoud have given a Corvette to the all the umpires who called the record 41 walks. |
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