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| Sep-03-13 | | Jim Bartle: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/criti... |
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Sep-03-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> Besides Hand, the Lions had Jerry Rush on the defensive line. Always fun to hear "Rush put the rush on, and Hand got a hand on him!" Or vice versa. Steve Owens was a Hall-of Fame caliber running back whose career was ruined by knee injuries. Not shifty, but tough and speedy. Think John Riggins with the speed of Earl Campbell. Greg Landry. An improved version of Bobby Douglass since he could throw a bit better. Bobby Douglass, of course, was the original Tim Tebow, all the way down to being left-handed. Tough, but anyone who practiced against Butkus had to be. |
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Sep-04-13
 | | perfidious: <PB>: Was just talking with someone a day or two ago who mentioned Douglass-I well remember 1972, when he very nearly rushed for 1000 yards, not a bad thing for a RB in those fourteen-game seasons. Also recall that a bit was made of his being a lefty at QB, but no-one said anything more after the successes of contemporary Kenny Stabler, a man with ice water in his veins when the big money was on the line. |
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Sep-04-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <perfidious> Looked up Bobby Douglass in Wikipedia. Lifetime passer rating of 48.5 (38 TDs, 64 INTs), yet had a better tna .500 record. After his NFL career, he tried pitching in the minor leagues for a while. In his last year, his line read 7 innings, 13 walks, no strikeouts. Can't say I'm surprised. |
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Sep-05-13
 | | perfidious: <PB>: Never knew Douglass had tried his hand in another sporting endeavour. Typical left-hander with no control; I was the same way as a softball pitcher. Astonishing that he could have had a winning NFL career mark with those putrid numbers. |
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| Sep-05-13 | | Jim Bartle: I was watching a video of triple plays, and wondered about a rule: Runners on first and second, a bunt is popped up but allowed to drop (no infield fly rule called; can it even be called on a bunt?), the pitcher throws to second where the runner is standing on the base. The shortstop tags the runner on the base, before stepping on the base. Is the runner out? In other words, is runner who is in a force situation safe from being tagged on his original base? |
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Sep-05-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Infield fly can be called on a bunt. If it isn't, not high enough, in between fielders, whatever, the runners are forced and are liable to be tagged out, standing on original base or not. If the shortstop happened to catch the ball with his foot on the base, the runner on second is no longer forced and can remain safely on the base. |
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| Sep-05-13 | | Jim Bartle: Thanks, OCF. Check out the bunt at 2:00. It's close but I think the fielder touched second before tagging the runner. In any case If I were the manager I would have argued. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQJ0V... I guess there wasn't time to call the infield fly, but the play shows why the rule exists. |
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Sep-05-13
 | | Phony Benoni: The definition of "Infield Fly", rule 2.00, begins with the following: <"An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball <(not including a line drive or an attempted bunt)..."> As for BUNT: <"...a batted ball not swung at, but intentionally met with the bat and tapped slowly within the infield."> Apparently, the definition is supposed to imply that a true "bunt" rolls on the ground; if in the air, it's an attempted bunt. |
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Sep-05-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Hmmm. Did you delete a post of mine about the bunt/infield fly? If not, I happened not to send it after I composed it. I don't care, just curious. |
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Sep-06-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <OCF> I saw only the existing messae from you on the bunt topic. |
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| Sep-06-13 | | Jim Bartle: Did anyone watch the bunt play? I thought the pitcher was sharp to let it drop. And he acted like he was going to catch it at first to freeze the runners. The video has quite a few unassisted triple plays. Every one the same, runners on first and second try to steal and a line drive is hit right to second base. Made to order. |
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Sep-06-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Man, I'm getting old. Guess I didn't send it. Anyway, it appears that a popped up (attempted) bunt doesn't qualify for the infield fly rule. |
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Sep-06-13
 | | perfidious: <Jim>: The 1980s shortstop Jim Schofield was a canny one-while having no video evidence, I well remember Red Sox announcers discussing his catching, then letting drop an infield line drive so as to double off an incautious runner in some way. |
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Sep-06-13
 | | OhioChessFan: Doh!
http://msn.foxsports.com/lacesout/b... |
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Sep-06-13
 | | perfidious: Shades of Leon Lett, at least on the occasion when Lett's showboating cost Dallas nothing but a blow to their pride. |
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| Sep-06-13 | | Jim Bartle: <perfidious> dropping a line drive intentionally is illegal in double-play situations. |
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Sep-06-13
 | | Phony Benoni: After looking at the video, I'm almost sure the fielder at second touched the base before tagging the runner, which should has invalidated the triple play. Notice how the first basement ran over and tagged a runner af the end of the play? He must not have been sure what was happening either. Three more thoughts on the video: (1) I've now seen enough of the "step-on-third" triple plays to last a lifetime; (2) Did anyone ever day try the dropped line drive trick at the Metrodome? (3) I wonder if weak batters never ground into triple plays because they don't hit the ball hard enough.. |
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| Sep-06-13 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony all this baseball talk... & to think you have plenty to worry about come Sunday when The Lions & Minnesota kick it off! P.S. They say that RB Adrian Peterson is pretty good. ; P |
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| Sep-06-13 | | Jim Bartle: True. Triple plays come only on hard hit balls, unless there's a baserunning gaffe. |
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Sep-06-13
 | | Phony Benoni: This might possibly be the bunt triple play:
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... See the Blue Jays' ninth inning. Nelson is definitely the pitcher, and having the second baseman cover first on a bunt seems possible. But some of the other details are muddled. Retrosheet actually has a list of triple playe that can be searched by the positions involved. An asterisk (8) after the number represents a putout, and each putout is shown individually. For example, an unassisted triple play by the shortshop is 6*-6*-6*. I found that bunt play as 1-6*-6*4*, indicating that the shortsop made two putouts zand the second baseman one. http://www.retrosheet.org/TPsummary...
This one looks pretty crazy. I still don't know hat happened, and maybe only the Cubs could have turned a double play plus an errant throw into into a triple play (Cadrinals' 8th): http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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Sep-06-13
 | | Phony Benoni: OF, just one more weird one: 5*-8*-6-8*. Yes, the center fielder makes two putouts on a triple play, but not the first putout: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... On second thought, I don't get it. Batter probably hit pop fly that several players went for. I suppose the CF, knowing he couldn't get it, rushed to third base inst4ead. I supposes the catacher had to stay home incase the runner tried to score, and the pitcher was backing up third or home. I don't think a rundown was involved; they generally list all the players in that situation. But if the shortstop was able to cover second, why didn't he cover third? That's one I would like to see a video of. |
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| Sep-06-13 | | Jim Bartle: I can't figure out either of those triple plays. |
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Sep-06-13
 | | Phony Benoni: Here's a fuller description of the 5-8-6-8 triple play. Would you beleive another attempted bunt?! http://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/... <"Oakland leads Texas 3-2, but the Rangers lead off the fourth inning against Craig Minetto with infield singles by Oscar Gamble and Bill Sample. Johnny Grubb comes to the plate. Texas manager Pat Corrales asks Grubb to bunt, but he pops it up to the Human Triple Play Maker Wayne Gross. Gross throws to second to try to double off Gamble, but the throw went over the head of shortstop Dave Chalk. Centerfielder Tony Armas was backing up the play and was able to throw the ball back to Chalk for the second out. Then Armas noticed that Sample was well off of first base, but there was no first baseman covering as Jeff Newman had charged in on the play, so Armas ran to first and Chalk threw the ball to him there to complete the highly unlikely 5-8-6-8 triple play."> Which would seem to indicate: (a) Tony Armas was pretty fast; (b) Oscar Gamble and Billy Sample didn't make it to the majors on base running skills; (3) As a first baseman, Jeff Newmna made a darn good catcher; (4) Fast? Tony Armas was Batman! |
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| Sep-07-13 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony, here's the Grizzly Bear head I'm wearing to the games Sunday! Plenty of room to get a beer bottle down the mouth! What do you think? Your pal, Travis
http://www.infobarrel.com/media/ima... |
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