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| Apr-26-14 | | Shams: Of course I meant "contract", not "comment" in my earlier post. |
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| Apr-27-14 | | Travis Bickle: Mr Benoni, you might want to take a glance at The Official Draft Order when you get a break from your chessic research... Travis
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014 |
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| Apr-27-14 | | Travis Bickle: AP The World Champion Blackhawks have bounced out St Louis from the Playoffs with the score of 5-1! ; P Here Come The Hawks song
http://youtu.be/6S4RLmN4mjA |
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Apr-28-14
 | | WannaBe: Okay, now we need the phone number for Cal (1-11), Purdue (1-11), NC State (3-9), Kansas (3-9). Maybe even Notre Dame (9-4) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf... Indiana finished 2013 with 5-7 record, ahead of Illinois and Purdue, tied with N'western. |
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Apr-28-14
 | | WannaBe: What a weekend, D. Sterling made headline for NBA, and a soccer player had a banana thrown at him (which he pick'd up and ate it...) Good ol' 2014, or is it 1914? Maybe 1814... |
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Apr-28-14
 | | perfidious: <WannaBe> Whichever year we take, Sterling is a throwback. |
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Apr-28-14
 | | Phony Benoni: I don't know how <Technical Draw> does it. Age continues to thwart my efforts at comedy. I slept through a colonoscopy today. (Good results; one tiny, harmless-looking polyp in the rectum, don't need to repeat for 5-10 years.) As anybody who has gone through the procedure knows, the preparation is by far the worst part. The mixture I was given to gag on was called "Golytely", so I thought it would be funny to refer to the whole nightmare as "Breakfast at Tiffany's". When, I mentioned this to the doctor, the young twerp had no idea what I was talking about. Sigh. Whatever happened to the days where doctors were older than you? |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: <I slept through a colonoscopy today. (Good results; one tiny, harmless-looking polyp in the rectum, don't need to repeat for 5-10 years.)> <A polyp in the rectum.> See that's funny. Work with it and you'll come up with something better. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: Here's how it's done:
Mother to doctor: Go wash your hands, you never know where they've been, Doctor: Hey Joe! Come over here and look at the size of these roids! Docter: Good news and bad. You have some
polyps, but I found a 1927 Indian Head nickel! |
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Apr-29-14
 | | WannaBe: Life time ban for D. Sterling! |
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Apr-29-14
 | | Phony Benoni: I suppose something drastic had to be done about Sterling. And, from all accounts, the NBA is not too sorry this happened; he has apparently been rubbing people the wrong way for years. But please, dear Lord, save me from celebrity. A world where one thoughtless statement can cancel the work of decades and brand me as irreparably evil is not a world I want to inhabit. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Jim Bartle: Silver said the decision was based on this case only, nothing from the past. So Sterling has been given a lifetime ban based entirely on a single secretly-recorded, informal conversation. And recorded by the other person in the conversation as far as I know. It's just too extreme. Had he said those things in a public forum, fine. But in a private conversation? A year or two, plus restrictions afterward would have been more fair. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: <A year or two, plus restrictions afterward would have been more fair.> No action would be fair. Either we have free speech or we don't. It's a strange world if in your mind you're saying is this ok, is this ok, what happens if I say this? And what exactly league rules did he violate? He was talking to his girlfriend about dating. So he doesn't want her to date blacks. Did he break some law? What about freedom of association? I guess others decide for you in this utopia . |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Shams: <technical draw> <What about freedom of association?> Doesn't that sword cut both ways? If you think Sterling should be shielded from the private business consequences of his speech, you're saying to the other 29 NBA owners that they have no choice but to continue to yoke their wagon to this guy, never mind all the terrible publicity and the very real harm it would do to their bottom line. Isn't that constraining *their* freedom of association? Why do the rights of one outweigh the rights of twenty-nine? Sterling compared being seen in public with black people to "talking to the enemy". He'll remain a free and very wealthy man after this is all over, with every right to free speech he had a week ago. Honestly, this is kind of a no-brainer, people. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Jim Bartle: <td> Sterling said a lot more than telling his girlfriend not tonassociate with blacks in public. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: <Shams> I'm not saying that the owners should shield him or anyone. In fact they don't need an association. They can fire each other, Hmmm you came here with a blue shirt, I'll dis-associate from you. "Terrible publicity?" Are the owners beholden to the newspapers? Let me see: one man is overheard saying something about his girlfriend and what he said can possibly destroy the NBA? I don't think so but being politically correct can. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: <Jim> So? That's his right, As far as I know being a racist is not against the law. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Jim Bartle: He told his employees (the players) he "gave" them everything, food, money, as if they were gifts. Truth is, of course, the employees earn those things, and are necessary for Sterling to make money with his investment in the team, which is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. It's insulting to the players. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Shams: <technical draw> <I'm not saying that the owners should shield him or anyone. In fact they don't need an association. They can fire each other.> Well, I'm a bit confused on what you think is fair. You said "no action would be fair", which led me to believe that you think the drastic actions taken today and planned for the future are <un>-fair. But now you seem to be saying otherwise. <"Terrible publicity?" Are the owners beholden to the newspapers?> Business people overwhelmingly seem to care about their bottom line, yeah. It all depends on the industry. The electronics giant Siemens built gas chambers for the nazis and seventy years on haven't even changed their name (they even tried to market a vacuum called "Zyklon" a decade ago) but for reasons I don't really understand, nobody seems to care. In sports and entertainment though you can't really get away with expressing socially retrograde views. The consumer has a right to spend his dollar on whatever he chooses. You write "[e]ither we have free speech or we don't" but I wonder how it could possibly be that simple. Leaving aside a legalistic argument about what free speech means, all speech acts have consequences. You seem to be implying that free speech means people can say what they want and not suffer any consequences. Pardon me, but aren't you married? Suppose Sterling's daughter doesn't call him for a week after the tape gets out. Does that mean we don't have free speech? Suppose his mixed-race weekly men's group tells him he can't come anymore. Would that violate his free speech? You want to call it "political correctness", fine. I'll defend people's right to be politically incorrect, but when they do so they should have the balls to stand behind what they say and take the social backlash that comes with it. There is no right to be popular: if there were, I'd haul everyone I went to high school with into court. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Jim Bartle: <td> Here's an interesting comment from the Daily Banter: < But while I personally detest what Sterling said on the recording his mistress made, something rubs me the wrong way about the fact that she made it at all and that it was able to get such traction in the media. I’ll tread carefully here because I don’t want to be misconstrued, but it goes like this: When you’re surreptitiously recording someone during a conversation, you have the upper-hand at all times. An argument between two people involved in a romantic relationship can often consist of both sides losing their cool at some point, but Stiviano knew that she couldn’t. She couldn’t say anything that would make her look bad because she knew what Sterling didn’t: that they were being recorded and that those recordings were likely going to end up in the hands of the media.What wound up happening is that a guy who deserved to be destroyed publicly was destroyed, certainly, but it still seems inherently unfair that what Sterling believed was a private conversation was all-along going to be heard by others eventually, in one way or another.> http://thedailybanter.com/2014/04/i... |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: I know the NBA is an association, a product if you will. And their main preoccupation is making that product profitable and keeping it out of the "bad" news section So one members actions that can affect the product is dealt with promptly. But the punishment for words said in private to a non-NBA person is way over line. This shows that the NBA and probably all professional sports team make their decisions based not on what actually happens but on what could happen. Sterling I would dare say was publicly lynched. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: <Shams> You know very well I'm not talking about actual lynching. What's going to happened is the NBA will go through difficult times as other investors start slowly rethinking their investment. A basketball team can only win if they are sure they can express themselves freely without having the sword of Damocles hanging over there head. Risking million dollar fines for being YOU is not the place I would want to be, |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: <Shams> BTW remove that disgusting link. We are mature debaters not kids showing ugly pictures. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | technical draw: <No news producer could believe the Sterling kerfuffle is a legitimate top story. This preposterous spectacle serves the same purpose as Stalin’s show trials — to teach the rest of us that the thought police can destroy anyone at any time for what they say in private conversations.> At least some news sources are getting it right. |
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| Apr-29-14 | | Jim Bartle: The NBA has the right to keep overt racism out of the league, though I think this is overkill. It really bothers me that the girl was recording it, and guiding the conversation to get what she wants on tape. |
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