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Aug-26-18
 | | Tabanus: https://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten/r... Round 1 Nov 17, round 12 Dec 3 1973, 24 games. Will we now get a nominatable game collection? ;) |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Retireborn: <Tab> Many thanks for that, much appreciated. I see that Donner calls it an alternative Dutch championship, but would welcome further explanation (if any) from a Dutch speaker. |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Chessical: "Chess for title of primus inter pares"
By our chess correspondant C. ORBAAN AMSTERDAM, November 15 In the light-hearted atmosphere of the Amsterdam literary Café De Engelbewaarder, Prof. Max Euwe opened an exceptional four-part chess competition. Jan Hein Donner, Hans Ree, Jan Timman and Gena Sosonko, Grandmasters, master and champion of the Netherlands, will decide which of them is the strongest over twelve rounds. A title is not at issue, because it is not an official competeion or played under FIDE "auspices." By the way, Prof. Euwe came up with the name "Matchtoernool (Match Tournamant)" in which the participants play four games against each other; and he went back to the end the last century to give an example of such a (superior) method to determine the primus inter pares (first amongst equals). The organizing publishing houses Keesing and Andriessen provided a prize fund of five thousand guilders, the distribution of which was left to the participants themselves." <Source:> "NRC Handelsblad", 15th November 1973, p.9. |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Retireborn: <Chessical> Many thanks for that. Well, if it was light-hearted, a pity Euwe didn't play himself, I think. |
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Aug-26-18
 | | chessgames.com: <ray keene: what's the best email to transmit my notes to some British Championship games? Will do everything I can to help.> Just use <chess@chessgames.com>... |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Phony Benoni: I've been looking into the Rudolf Raubitschek / Robert Raubitschek mess the last couple of days, and results are not too encouraging. However, I have found information concerning which played at Trenton Falls (1906). <"...while Robert Raubitschek was selected to play for the New York State Chess Association."> -- New York Tribune, July 24, 1906. This is consistent with other sources stating that Raubitshek was representing the NYSCA (e.g., "American Chess Bulletin", August 1906, p. 157.), but is the first one I've seen which gave a first name. I'm waiting to submit a correction to find out if there is any report to the contrary. The use of "Rudolf" seems very prevalent, and is hopefully based on more than a guess and blind copying. |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Phony Benoni: The Tribune is available freely at the Library's of Congress's "Chronicling America" site. See bottom of the fourth column. https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/... You might find this easier touse by clicking the PDF link. |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Tabanus: <PB> All I can see is that Rob/Robert has more hits in the newspapers than Rudolf. So that Robert may have been the stronger player. |
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Aug-26-18
 | | MissScarlett: A cautionary tale:
<A Glasgow University professor has been given a statue in Russia - by mistake.Local authorities in St Petersburg felt the need to pay tribute to French architect Jean-François Thomas de Thomon, who designed many neo-classical buildings in the city. However, as reported by Daily Record, a local newspaper found a stunning resemblance between the statue and a Glasgow University chemistry professor named Thomas Thomson. And journalists at the Fontanka newspaper discovered the monument is not in fact that of Thomas de Thomon, as originally intended, but the late Glaswegian chemist, Thomson.> https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/... |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Phony Benoni: Tabanus <All I can see is that Rob/Robert has more hits in the newspapers than Rudolf. So that Robert may have been the stronger player.> Not necessarily. Robert was heavily involved in organizational and administrative work at the Manhattan CC and elsewhere, and many of those hits probably describe those activities. That being said, it seems Robert was the more active player. After about 1895, Rudolf's name only shows up as a team member in the Manhattan CC's interclub matches. Robert is more involved in club events, and doesn't play as often in the matches (though this is probably because he ws often the team captain and played only as a substitute). Their careers contemporaneous; so far, I have records of both palying in the same event from 1894 - 1923. The names "Raubitschek" and "R Raubitschek" were used for both, so no conclusions can be drawn there. It's hard to say which was stronger, if only because we're not completely sure who played which games. Robert's "selection" for Trenton Falls 1906 seems to have no bearing on that question. I get the sense that was more of an appointment (being in the right place at the right time) than qualification or playing strength. Certainly there were any number of players stronger than him who were simply not available. |
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Aug-26-18
 | | Tabanus: <PB> Sounds fair. I found this madness: http://archive.is/bI29I, with lots of Raubitscheks (63 hits). Ctrl F |
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Aug-26-18 | | zanzibar: Spinrad is madness?! Hmmm.... |
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Aug-27-18
 | | Tabanus: I was too fast, sorry. Good that http://archive.is/ archived it. |
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Aug-27-18 | | zanzibar: <Tab> what's all this business with archive.is?! Spinrad's newspaper mention synopsis is still directly available at vanderbilt: http://www.vuse.vanderbilt.edu/~spi... . |
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Aug-27-18
 | | Tabanus: Oh. I did not see that. |
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Aug-29-18
 | | Tabanus: Stupid question:
Can non-editors see the Game Collection Voting page? Can full members see it? Can all see it? |
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Aug-29-18 | | swampdragon: Only editors can see it. |
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Aug-29-18 | | zanzibar: <swampdragon> is right. I did ask <Daniel> to open it up for all to view, and I even think he agreed in principle, but it never got done - and I didn't press on this one. |
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Aug-30-18
 | | Tabanus: Thanks. Just so you know, on top there's this:
<OVERVIEW: Our Game Collection feature can be used to create a well organized account of a historical tournament. With that in mind, Chessgames has made it possible to nominate game collections so that our database can create a official, kibitzable tournament pages for historical events. This page is the incoming queue of nominated game collections. To participate in this process, review the nominations to make sure that they are as accurate and complete as possible. If a collection seems fit for inclusion, vote AYE. If there is even a small problem with the collection or the fields (site, scoreboard, etc.) that might be fixed, you should vote NAY and indicate in the comments what the problem is. You are also encouraged to use the comment area for any other constructive purpose. HOW VOTES ARE TALLIED: In order for a collection to be inducted, we require a minimum of 5 Chessgames Editors to review the nomination with no more than 1 NAY vote. You may change your stance while voting remains open. Nominations are processed on a first-come first-served basis. Only 20 nominations can appear at any one time: they are voted on until resolved, at which point they are removed to make room for the next in the queue. Please note that voting for game collections is NOT confidential: other members will see your screen-name (Xxxxxxx) alongside your vote, comments, and other information.> Then comes a link to the nominated game collection, and who nominated it, with the nominator's suggested a) Event name (e. g. Agency International) and b) Site name (e. g. London ENG). Then AYE and NAY buttons plus a commentary field for the voter. If 5 AYE votes, the collection is transferred to the Tournament Index (TI). At the same time, all the games (automatically) get Event = Agency International, and Site = London ENG. (You only need to pick the right games, all of which have to be in CG already, <and preferably add right date and round number to them>, which can be done only by an editor). Only the games in the game collection are involved in the process. Then comes an overview of the last 7 votings. Right now it looks like this: <RECENT EDITOR ACTIVITY
Tue Jun 26 : Linares (1995) nominated by Tabanus
OhioChessFan voted AYE
Tabanus voted AYE (nominated Jun-23-18)
jessicafischerqueen voted AYE
chessgames.com voted AYE (Nice article.)
Stonehenge voted AYE
Tue Jul 17 : Kavalek - Larsen (1970) nominated by Chessical
Tabanus voted AYE (one case of odd number of quote marks)
jessicafischerqueen voted AYE
chessgames.com voted AYE (Let's push it through then fix the issue(s))
Chessical voted AYE (nominated Jul-15-18)
Stonehenge voted AYE
Wed Jul 18 : Linares (1981) nominated by Tabanus
Tabanus voted AYE (nominated Jul-17-18)
jessicafischerqueen voted AYE
hemy voted AYE
Chessical voted AYE
Stonehenge voted AYE
Thu Jul 19 : Linares (1983) nominated by Tabanus
Tabanus voted AYE (nominated Jul-18-18)
jessicafischerqueen voted AYE
hemy voted AYE
Chessical voted AYE
Stonehenge voted AYE
Sun Jul 22 : Hastings 1935/36 (1935) nominated by Phony Benoni
Tabanus voted AYE
Sneaky voted AYE (stray punctuation here and there, could be fixed in 2 minutes)
Chessical voted AYE
Phony Benoni voted AYE (nominated Jul-20-18)
Stonehenge voted AYE
Wed Aug 1 : Linares (1985) nominated by Tabanus
Tabanus voted AYE (nominated Jul-22-18)
chessgames.com voted AYE (Rubber stamped with pride)
Benzol voted AYE
Chessical voted AYE
Stonehenge voted AYE
Sat Aug 25 : New York (1889) nominated by Chessical
Tabanus voted AYE (unsourced. And why did not the originator sp147
nominate it? Is it quantity before quality?)
jessicafischerqueen voted AYE
Benzol voted AYE
Chessical voted AYE (nominated Jul-28-18)
Stonehenge voted AYE>
The nominator usually has made an introduction to the collection. The voter (an editor) can (should) review this intro, its crosstable (if any), sources, etc., and check if the right games are in, with right date, round number, and player names. Not least, the voter should check the suggested Event and Site names, because only an Admin can change these afterwards. Well, that's the way it has been until now. |
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Aug-30-18 | | zanzibar: <Manchester (1890)> OK, let's finally promote this one and get it out of the way: Game Collection: Manchester 1890 (I'll always use it as an example of a process gone wrong, but let bygones be bygones) OK, let's assume <chessgames.com> efforts to save <rookhouse>'s work wasn't for naught... * * * * *
So, it seems we now have a practical compromise criterion in place, which I regard as a positive development. But this means we need a consistent grading system to compliment it. Somehow, we need to mark those tournaments that clearly could use improvement, as clearly needing improvement. Maybe a grade, or a color-coded star system? I'll remind everyone that New York (1889) isn't the only bronze or silver-star non-Tab standard tournament. This category also includes many of other tournaments already in the TI, even before our practical compromise criterion procedure was adopted. . |
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Aug-31-18
 | | Tabanus: The only practical compromise I am aware of is that once nominated, everything gets voted in, no matter what the standard is. I don't know what the new management thinks about that, or how many chess historians feel attracted by such a policy. How many pearls will they throw. |
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Aug-31-18 | | zanzibar: Well, <Tab>, I see you voted it <NY (1889)> in. That's a compromise.
I think <Manchester (1890)> was nominated at one time too. And if it wasn't it should have been. <Manchester (1890)> is exactly the same as <New York (1889)>. A pretty good write-up, lacking footnoted sourcing. Are we going to fix things or not?
You play a big role here <Tab>, you really should learn the art of compromise if you want the project to thrive. Grade the tournaments - like I like to point out, <CG> already is a mixed bag. You can't escape that fact. |
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Aug-31-18
 | | Tabanus: You don't need my compromise. You only need someone to nominate it then 5 AYE's. Or 4 AYE's and 1 NAY. To mix the contribution with the others in the bag. |
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Aug-31-18 | | zanzibar: Hmmm...
OK, the acid test for me will be when <Manchester (1890)> gets promoted. Might never happen, given the past history. But one never knows, and there's that phrase from Milton... |
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Aug-31-18 | | zanzibar: Actually, I don't have much hope for <Tab> ( or <OCF> ), to tell the truth. But <chessical> might actually nominate <Manchester (1890)>, using the same rationale as used for <New York (1889)>. And that would actually be constructive, and consistent. And it seems that, under the new regime, it would have to be promoted this go round if nominated. Too bad it's such a political hot potato - but <rookhouse>'s efforts shouldn't be squandered imo. (And I do deem <Daniel>'s retrieval of the deleted collected somewhat of a weaselly compromise (sorry <Daniel>, but I did say that at the time too Biographer Bistro (kibitz #18396) Biographer Bistro (kibitz #18263) )). |
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