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| Dec-08-04 |
| drukenknight: Here take a look at this game, does this make it clear? Tal vs Gligoric, 1968 |
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| Dec-08-04 |
| beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
48  c5 may save it.
Interesting. What outcome do you foresee after something obvious like 48. c5 e7 48. a7 d6 49.  d3 g3 50. e3 f2 51. e2 a4 planning to go after White's a-pawn? |
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| Dec-08-04 |
| drukenknight: gee I havent even thought of it, I'll set this up later, I've got some errand to run. What did you think of that tal/gligoric game, by the way? |
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| Dec-08-04 |
| drukenknight: umm, you have two move 48s in that line, do you mean 49 Ba7? and then 50 Kd3 etc? retype it. |
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| Dec-08-04 |
| beatgiant: <drukenknight>:
<umm, you have two move 48s in that line, do you mean 49 Ba7? and then 50 Kd3 etc? retype it.>
Right you are, sorry for this misprint:
48. c5 e7 49. a7 d6 50. d3 g3 51. e3 f2 51. e2 a4. |
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| Dec-09-04 |
| darook: <drukenknight>I must have missed the point ?! You mean instead of 48. d5+ White should have played 48. c5 ?
If so, I think that 48...f2 wins for Black, no? |
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| Dec-09-04 |
| beatgiant: <darook>:
<I must have missed the point ?! You mean instead of 48. d5+ White should have played 48. Bc5 ? If so, I think that 48...f2 wins for Black, no?><drukenknight>'s point is 48. c5 f2? 49. d5+ and 50. xf2 catches the pawn. |
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May-08-05
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| Resignation Trap: In the book of the tournament, Capablanca stated that 33. Be7 was a very serious mistake, adding that White would win easily with 33. Re7! Rg8 34.Ra7 Qf4 35. Qc7, when Black must exchange Queens due to the threat of 36. Bf8. Capablanca calls 48. d5+ the losing move, and instead gives 48. Kd3 as drawing (but no analysis to back this up). |
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| Nov-04-05 |
| Runemaster: One of Marshall's best. I think Capablanca once said that, contrary to popular belief, Marshall was strong in the endgame. |
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| Nov-16-05 |
| GreatGrecosGhost: Hey how about this line for white.
13. Ne5 Nxe5 14.Bxh7+! Kxh7 15. Qxh5+ Kg8 16.Rxe5 c6 17. Rae1 Bd6 18. Rae2 Looks like white can win a pawn
If. 13...Bxd1 14.Nxd7 Rfd8 15. Ne5 Nxe5 16. Rxe5 Bd6 17. Rxd1 Bxe5 18. dxe5 White still ends up two bishops up for a rook.
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| Nov-16-05 |
| aw1988: Your line wins. |
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| Jan-22-06 |
| Whitehat1963: Capa's lone loss against the Petrov. I think that playing a drawish defense against Capa would usually be suicidal, what with his ability to squeeze out a win with the most minute of positional or tempo advantages. And even Marshall, who played the Petrov more than anyone, didn't enjoy much success with it. |
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Mar-25-06
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| chancho: I have my doubts about the story that Capablanca had the Mayor of Havana clear out the tournament hall, so the fans would not see him resign his game to Marshall. The aforementioned game happened in round 10.(with 4 more rounds to go) He later lost to David Janowsky in round 13. I imagine that losing to Janowsky, was much more distasteful to Capa then losing to Marshall. |
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| Jun-24-06 |
| RookFile: It's true the Marshall lost to Capablanca 21 to 4, with 29 draws. But I'll say this. Anybody who could get 4 wins and 29 draws against Capablanca must have been a terrific player. I wish I could be as strong. |
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| Jun-24-06 |
| CapablancaFan: If I had got 1 win from Capa, I would frame that game and put it on my wall for my grandchildren to see! |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| Nikita Smirnov: Well it is a win for white!
Well here the continuation is:
54.Bf2 Kf2 55.d7 and white wins even if Bc7 is played he just needs to threat away the bishop and white wins. |
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| Sep-24-06 |
| tigersclaw: 54.Bxf2 Kxf2 55.d7 Bc7 56.Kf5 Kg3 57.Kg6 Kxh3 58.Kxh6 Kxg4 and it is Black who wins since white cant stop the g pawn. Capa resigned because he knew his endings. |
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Sep-25-06
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| euripides: <Nikita he just needs to threat away the bishop and white wins.> He can win the bishop for the d pawn but he is then behind in the K+P ending. He can't get the bishop away from the queening square - he would need a minor piece as well as the king to do this. |
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| Sep-27-06 |
| Nikita Smirnov: Well strange loss whatever. |
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Sep-27-06
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| Boomie: <GreatGrecosGhost> 13. Ne5 is superior to Bb5 but is it winning? 13. Ne5 Nxe5 14. Bxh7+ Kxh7 15. Qxh5+ Kg8 16. Rxe5 c6 17. Rae1 Bd6 18. R5e3 Rae8  1.13/15 White is up a pawn but it's on the same side as black's king and it's a long way to the endgame. Capa made a career out of winning with slight advantages and may have found a way of bringing home the full point. Both 48. Bc5 or Capa's suggestion Kd3 seem to hold.
48. Bc5 Be7 49. Ba7 Bd6 50. Kd3 Bg3 51. Ke3 f2 52. Ke2 Kd5 48. Kd3 Bxd4 49. Bxh6 Kf6 50. Bf8 Bb6 51. Bb4 Kf7 52. Bc3 |
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| Sep-27-06 |
| blakjak: why did he resign? he couldve won |
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| Nov-17-06 |
| syracrophy: <<blakjak: why did he resign? he couldve won>> Are you kidding? White was hopelessly lost! Check the variants: <a)> 54.xf2+ xf2 55.d7 c7  <b)> 54.d7 c7 55.xf2+ xf2 only transposes to variant a) |
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| Jul-30-07 |
| Fast Gun: If you exclude those two losses from 1910 (which were part of an arranged match of six games and should not really count as serious games) this is only one of two losses that Capa suffered against Marshall in over 50+ games!! Quite an achievement against a reknowned attacking genius like Marshall, who was a strong player in his own right: |
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| Jun-12-08 |
| RookFile: This is one of the very few games Capa lost with the White pieces. |
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Nov-07-08
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| notyetagm: <RookFile: This is one of the very few games Capa lost with the White pieces.> +3.75+inch+King/exact_match=exact/user-id=/password=">http://houseofstaunton.com/Store/pr...: <Marshall was best known for his great tactical skill. One aspect of this was the "Marshall swindle", where a trick would turn a lost game around. Not so well known now, but appreciated in his day, was his endgame skill. <<<He is one of the few players who defeated 3rd World Champion Jose Raul Capablanca with the black pieces, in a game that is considered one of the finest displays of endgame mastery ever played>>>.> |
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