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Jose Raul Capablanca vs Frank James Marshall
"No Way José" (game of the day Jul-07-10)
Havana (1913)  ·  Russian Game: Classical Attack (C42)  ·  0-1
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Jul-07-10
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  al wazir: Surely white wins a P with 33. Re7 Rg8 (forced) 34. Rd7. If 34...Qb1+ 35. Kh2 Qc1/Qe4 (threatening to get a perpetual via 36. Qf4+), then 36. Qxf6. If 35...Qf5, then 36. Qxd5 Qf4+ 37. g3 Qc2+/Qf2+ 38. Qg2. If 34...Kh8, then 35. Bf8.

How could Capa have missed this?

Jul-07-10  igiene: I don't if is a true story, but I read somewhere that when Znosko-Borowsky proposed to Capablanca to write a little book with only his (Capa's)rare defeats, Capablanca answered:"I prefer to write a much little book with your (Znosko's) victories"
Jul-07-10  Danufane: Why is the title of ths game of the day "No Way Jose"?
Jul-07-10  TheaN: 33.Re7 is a much more logical move anyhow, right? Surprising how Capablanca could get to 33.Be7...
Jul-07-10
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  chancho: <Petrosianic>

<In 1913, Capablanca played in his hometown of Havana where he came in second to Frank Marshall, with 10/14. He lost one of their individual games after having a much better position. Reuben Fine claimed that Capablanca had the mayor clear all the spectators so they wouldn't see him resign, and this story has uncritically circulated in books and around the Internet. However, Winter's book below (pp. 47–48) documents that Fine's story has no basis whatsoever. Instead, there were 600 spectators present, who naturally favored their native hero, but sportingly gave Marshall "thunderous applause". Marshall's own notes corroborated this when he heard the roar, he thought that the crowd was going to kill him, and he asked for security escort "and quickly rushed over to my hotel. Afterwards I was told they were cheering for me.">

http://www.worldchesslinks.org/capa...

Jul-07-10  igiene: Undoubtely F.J.Marshall was one of the strongest player of his time and one of the strongest tactician of all time
Jul-07-10  YoungEd: Every once in a while the cow gets loose and kills the butcher.
Jul-07-10  Everett: Weird, the position after black's 25th move looks remarkably like the Marshall Gambit of the Ruy Lopez, at least the Q-side pawns.
Jul-07-10
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  kevin86: The bishop goes...and the game follows.
Jul-07-10  theel123: 48. d5+ seems like an odd move. Does it now allow the king to get closer to supporting its passed pawn? Maybe 48. Bc5 was a better choice...
Jul-07-10
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  Gilmoy: <YoungEd: Every once in a while the cow gets loose and kills the butcher.>

"Arr ... fresh meat!"
"Moo, moo moo, moo, moo."
"Aieee!!"

Jul-07-10  SugarDom: "No way, Jose!"...

If you're American, you'll figure it out.

I've lost count of my puns, i got in maybe a dozen.
And i ain't a Yankee...

I think CG already banned me. My puns list stays at a 100...

Jul-07-10
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  Check It Out: <I don't if is a true story, but I read somewhere that when Znosko-Borowsky proposed to Capablanca to write a little book with only his (Capa's)rare defeats, Capablanca answered:"I prefer to write a much little book with your (Znosko's) victories">

Zing! Even if it's not real I like it.

Jul-07-10
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  TheFocus: Znosko-Borowsky did write a book about Capa's defeats - only 8 at the time.

Never heard that anecdote though.

Jul-07-10  Peter Nemenyi: This is an almost perfectly typical Capablanca game, until the slip on move 33. The position is generally quiet, but Capablanca has a little more space and a little more activity; he simplifies while acquiring one small advantage (B for N) and trading it for another (Black's isolated QP); it's all according to the pattern described so many times by Irving Chernev, apart from the result.

This was certainly a beautiful way to play, against Capablanca's level of opposition. I sometimes wonder whether, if he'd played against a deeper talent pool, his willingness to settle for quietly exploiting minor edges would have produced an intolerable number of draws.

Jul-07-10  screwdriver: " al wazir: Surely white wins a with 33. Re7 Rg8 (forced) 34. Rd7. If 34...Qb1+ 35. Kh2 Qc1/Qe4 (threatening to get a perpetual via 36. Qf4+), then 36. Qxf6. If 35...Qf5, then 36. Qxd5 Qf4+ 37. g3 Qc2+/Qf2+ 38. Qg2. If 34...Kh8, then 35. Bf8. How could Capa have missed this?"

Maybe he was overrated. Otherwise we're missing something.

Jul-07-10  tentsewang: LOL the blunder was the move 48. d5+??, a good move would be to move a4, not Bxh6 which will get into a trap. Good Game by sir Marshall!!
Jul-07-10
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  YouRang: When first stepping the the moves of this game, I came to this position, which white faced on move #51:


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My first impression was that 51.Bxe5 Kxe5 52.Ke3 Kxd5 53.Kxf3 might be drawn [diagram]


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Alas, after checking it over with computer help, I see that black still wins with 53...Kd4!, because black doesn't have to fear stalemate. If the white king is immobilized on a1, then white must push a pawn, giving black a won pawn race.

However, in this line I noticed an <interesting swindle attempt> for white after 53...Kd4! 54.a4 a5 <55.h4!> [diagram]


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Black is still winning, but only if he finds either 55...Kd3! or 55...Kd5! -- and neither of these moves are terribly obvious.

[A] If black gets sloppy and plays 55...gxh4?, then white draws with:

56.Kg2! Kc4 57.Kh3 Kb4 58.Kxh4 Kxa4 59.Kh5 Kb5 60.Kxh6, and both sides promote safely leading to a draw. This isn't obvious at move 55 since the white king must retreat to g2 and then capture 2 pawns on h4 and h6 while black only has to take one pawn. But white just barely has enough tempos to succeed.

[B] If black heads toward our a-pawn prematurely with 55...Kc4?, then white again draws:

56.hxg5 hxg5 57.Ke4 Kb4 58.Kf5 Kxa4 59.Kxg5 Kb5 60.Kf5, and again white manages to promote right after black promotes to earn a draw.

The winning moves, 55...Kd3 or 55...Kd5 both use zugzwang to force white to spend an extra tempo which makes the difference.

Jul-07-10  Mostolesdude: Dear chessgames.com:
2 years ago you posted a game of the day named "Spain beats Germany" right after the Euro Final. Can you please post another game like that after we beat The Netherlands on Sunday? Thanks very much. VIVA ESPAÑA !!!
Aug-11-10
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  Fusilli: Nice post, <YouRang>.
Aug-12-10
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  LIFE Master AJ: Ditto. (Good job, <yourang>.)
Sep-19-10  Whitehat1963: A good candidate for Guess-the-Move.
Aug-16-11
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  Eduardo Bermudez: "When the result was announced, the crowd let out a terrific roar. At first I thought they were after my blood for defeating their idol and asked for an escort to my hotel." Frank J. Marshall
Aug-16-11
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  haydn20: I remember the anecdote something like this--ZB: "I am thinking of writing a book on Capablanca's blunders, but maybe it will be too short." Capa: "I was thinking of writing <ZB's Good Moves> but it would be even shorter."
Jun-27-14  dernier thylacine: It seems that 44.g4 gives an immediately mortal force to the black pawns majority, whereas only a waiting move like 44.Bb6!? would have allowed a tough resistance. Maybe I am wrong, because even I use a computer to check in short time the value of my intuition in clear endgames positions like this one, I still am just a patzer!...
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