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|Feb-28-12|| ||diceman: <screwdriver:
If I had this position as white, no way would I be resigning.>
Not yet at least.
<Where is the fight in Spasky?>
Fischer beat it out of him.
|Apr-23-12|| ||kingscrusher: Am I correct in thinking the Opening classification for this game should be Sicilian Taimanov - not Sicilian Kan?! It started off as a Sicilian Paulsen (Kan) but once black plays 5...Nc6 it transposes into the Sicilian Taimanov doesn't it ?!|
See Wiki here:
|Apr-23-12|| ||King Death: <kingscrusher> It is a Taimanov.|
|Apr-23-12|| ||kingscrusher: I have video annotated the game here:
|Apr-23-12|| ||RookFile: Fischer won this game, but the position after 27.... Ra2 is drawable for white. Part of me wishes that the game had ended in a draw, the previous play was very interesting.|
|Sep-01-12|| ||Rocambole: Hace hoy 40 años Spassky abandonó esta partida que había quedado suspendida, coronándose así Fischer Campeón Mundial. Cada vez que la analizo me sigue admirando la fuerza interna de la posición de las negras en la apertura.|
|Sep-14-12|| ||Conrad93: 30... deserves an exclamation mark.|
|Sep-15-12|| ||azaru: I think 30.... is double exclamation mark to my point of view.|
|Sep-15-12|| ||DWINS: 30...f5! is a good move and deserves an exclamation point because it enables Black to create a passed pawn and keep winning chances, but it doesn't win the game.|
As pointed out by Robert Byrne and Ivo Nei in their book "Both Sides of the Chessboard", and also by Anatoly Karpov, 34.f4! draws because it prevents the Black king from invading via e5.
|Sep-15-12|| ||enoordff: Kan or Taimanov? That is almost the same. But how about Scottish resemblance? After 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 Bb4 6 Nxc6 bc6 7 Bd3 d5 8 ed5 cd5 10 0-0 0-0 11 Bg5 c6 12Qf3 Bd6 there is almost exactly the same position as in Spasski-Fischer after move twelve. The only difference is that black gave away a tempo with a7-a6. The loss in tempo for black (Bb4 + Bd6) equals the loss by white with Be3 + Bd4. A remarkable transition from two rather different openings!|
|Sep-15-12|| ||enoordff: Sorry, I didn't read the kibitz from Eyal (november 2008).|
|Oct-11-12|| ||nblock0910: fischer ripped him a new one|
|Mar-18-13|| ||PaulLovric: < screwdriver: I'd like to see this game played further. The idea for white is to play b4 when he gets a chance, then a5, and sort of march his connected past pawns down the board. If I had this position as white, no way would I be resigning. Where is the fight in Spasky?> the black h pawn creates the diversion and lures the white king away so the black king will start to munch on those remaining pawns, there is no fight left <screwy>, did you really think there was, in the last game of the 72 World Chess ? Championship Match - did you come from Mars recently ?|
|Aug-05-13|| ||Co3ra: Hello, I'm working With a task i was given.
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In the task i am souposed to know which checkerboards is affected by the 17th move.
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|Aug-05-13|| ||ughaibu: Your post is incomprehensible. Is that part of the "task"?|
|Aug-05-13|| ||PaulLovric: <Co3ra> I assume you means which squares are attacked? But which move, Blacks or Whites 17th?|
|Nov-23-13|| ||jerseybob: <RookFile: Fischer won this game, but the position after 27.... Ra2 is drawable for white. >
Right. Just avoid playing g4? and how does black make progress?|
|Nov-24-13|| ||Petrosianic: g4 was bad, but the position may not have been quite lost even then.|
Fischer's last move is an inaccuracy. Kg4 was better. h5 allows 41. Kh3 Rxf2 42. a5 Ra2 43. a6 and White is still hanging in there. Spassky's 41. Bd7? returns the favor, and allows Fischer to play Kg4 (which he should have played on the previous move).
|Nov-25-13|| ||jerseybob: Petrosianic: The line you give only shows how lost white really was after 30.g4?, but doesn't address my contention that white could've drawn the game with better play, like 30.Ke3. BTW, to be objective, even after 30.g4? there might've beeen a resource: 34.f4 has been recommended over Spassky's 34.Kf3, but does it draw? Who knows.|
|Nov-26-13|| ||SChesshevsky: <Petrosianic: g4 was bad, but the position may not have been quite lost even then.>|
Probably not dead lost but very tough after 25. Bxe2 it looks.
As it played out I'm not sure even 34. f4 holds. Fischer might put the K on c5 holding the Qside. Then the a8h1 pawning diagonal is secure too. Then Rh1 and push the pawn looks like a lot of pressure. The rule of thumb is once a protected passed pawn gets to the sixth rank it scores or takes a sac to stop it, so whites king probably needs to stay in front of the pawn near g2, which makes f4 vulnerable plus the Bishop's restricted and stuck defending, and White's always got to worry about zugz.
Might be able to hold but without a winning chance with all the ways to lose, its not very pleasant just to fight to draw in a match that's already lost. I believe this game made it to adjournment, if so Spassky was a good sport just getting it that far.
|Jul-03-14|| ||BobbyDigital80: It looks like the opening transposed into a Scotch Four Knights.|
|Jul-03-14|| ||Petrosianic: <jerseybob> <Petrosianic: The line you give only shows how lost white really was after 30.g4?, but doesn't address my contention that white could've drawn the game with better play, like 30.Ke3.>|
All right, well to address that, you're right, and 30. g4? was a huge lemon. White doesn't seem to be in much trouble before that, and frankly I'm at a loss to understand why Spassky would even consider such a move. It's a huge positional blunder, and Fischer's reply is obvious. I don't know if it outright loses, but if not, then very nearly.
<BobbyDigital80> <It looks like the opening transposed into a Scotch Four Knights.>
It looks that way because that's exactly what happened. Pretty much every book on the match mentions that fact.
|Aug-28-14|| ||coldsweat: It's interesting that Boris was able to bounce back from this crushing match to win the Soviet Championship the following year. He really was an outstanding player.|
|Oct-19-14|| ||Ke2: Something seems very old about this game.
This opening is quite like Anderssen would play the Sicilian, even though he never played this line. If you showed me the game blind I'd say it was 1850s-1880s.
|Oct-19-14|| ||Ke2: Especially all those quaint bishops sitting on "Q3" and "K3".|
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