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|Jan-31-08|| ||EdwardChisam: What I find impressive is the memories of both players. Looking at it from Tal's point of view, for example, the Ruy Lopez Classical variation is not something you see often. Tal must have been aware of this game:|
Alekhine vs Bogoljubov, 1913
By virtue of having strong opening knowledge, both players were able to get to a sharp, even position later, and have some fun.
|Sep-18-08|| ||ughaibu: There's no reason that Tal must've known the earlier game, unless you're suggesting that an infinite regress of earlier games is necessary and possible. Particularly as Alekhine lost his game.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||seeminor: Ughaibu, do us all a favour and go and sit in a room by yourself, with no access to a computer.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||ughaibu: No.
|Sep-18-08|| ||Zonszein: I personally find quite ridiculous to think that Tal could be aware of a game played in 1913.
First because he simply did not need to..
But mainly because it is not because someone "googles" a game and "finds out" it's similar to the one here that: "eureka!, Tal knew about it"
Tal (specially) had better things to do: find the best moves over the board for e.g.
|Sep-18-08|| ||seeminor: "Tal (specially) had better things to do: find the best moves over the board for e.g."|
Really? What evidence is there for that, did he tell you?
|Sep-18-08|| ||Towershield: I find 22.Qxc7 to be pretty interesting:
22...Ne2+ (22...Qh6 23.g5 ) 23.Kg2(Kf1? Qf6!) Nf4+ 24.Kf1 Qxc7 25.Rxc7 Rfc8 26.Rxc8+ Rxc8 27.Kg1-- I think white has good chances here.
|Sep-18-08|| ||AnalyzeThis: Grandmasters really do study the opening.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||Zonszein: <did he tell you?>
|Sep-19-08|| ||seeminor: 'Zonszein: No'
Then don't put your speculation on a higher level.
|Aug-11-09|| ||WhiteRook48: the greatest matchup ever known to chess|
|Aug-11-09|| ||SugarDom: Although, Fischer did not win, his talent was more evident as he was black, sacrificing and attacking...|
|Aug-11-09|| ||vonKrolock: <25.d6+> Or 25.♘e5 f3! 26.♖c2 ♗xh3+ etc with at least a draw|
|Jul-29-10|| ||GrahamClayton: <Fast Gun>This was the last competitive game that these two played against each other, it was played in round 18 on June 5th 1962,(forget those two blitz games in Herceg Novi 1970): There should have been one more game in round 25, but it was cancelled because Tal was ill and had to go to hospital and could not play:|
Fischer and Tal couldn't resist having a game in hospital!
|May-10-12|| ||anjyplayer: Sacrifice for TAL !|
|Aug-04-14|| ||Zonszein: Fischer preferred 14-.... Na7 to Bogolyubov .....Rd8....
Isn't Rxd8 better anyway?|
|Aug-04-14|| ||perfidious: <Zonszein: I personally find quite ridiculous to think that Tal could be aware of a game played in 1913....>|
Given Tal's phenomenal memory, this would hardly have been as far-fetched as you believe.
<seeminor: Ughaibu, do us all a favour and go and sit in a room by yourself, with no access to a computer.>
Better still, take a walk into the Gobi Desert or some such lovely place.
|Aug-04-14|| ||Zonszein: Very perfidious|
|Aug-04-14|| ||perfidious: Only to a very few enemies, who will be forever greeted by the back of my hand.|
Friends, on the other hand, are always most welcome at my door.
|Aug-04-14|| ||Zonszein: Life is so short!|
|Aug-04-14|| ||Zonszein: OK
The point is that, Tal could hardly have expected Fischer to play 1-....e5 and probably the game Alekhine-Bogolyubov was the last thing he was thinking about.
But of course he had a phenomenal memory!
|Aug-04-14|| ||perfidious: <Zonszein.....The point is that, Tal could hardly have expected Fischer to play 1-....e5 and probably the game Alekhine-Bogolyubov was the last thing he was thinking about.....>|
Tal could not totally exclude the possibility, either: Gligoric vs Fischer, 1960 cured White's habit of always opening 1.e4 against Fischer, in this very same 3....Bc5.
|Aug-04-14|| ||Petrosianic: <Tal could hardly have expected Fischer to play 1-....e5>|
Sure he could. It was a fairly well known Secondary Defense for Fischer. Tal wouldn't have <expected> it, but he was surely aware that Fischer sometimes used it when he wanted a break from the Sicilian.
|Aug-05-14|| ||Zonszein: Thank you both.
And perfidious: thank you for the the Gligoric-Fischer that I didn't know.
By the way: What about 4-...... Qf6 (?)
|Sep-13-14|| ||Zonszein: I agree with <NiICOLAS GR>
But Spassky has been also "underrated" and is mainly remembered as the man who lost to Fischer|
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