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|Jul-19-04|| ||uglybird: If 11.0-0 then ...Bg4 or... 0-0 gives black a good game. I would guess that Alekhine wanted to get the most out of his position by 11.Nc3 and saw that after 14.d5, black's knight would have to move to the side or back leaving White with the better game. Alekhine, I would guess again, anticipated 14...Rd8 and had prepared 15.Qe1 as a reply, but was taken by surprise by the excellent move 15...Bg4! which seems to give black the better game in all variations. |
|Aug-04-04|| ||ArturoRivera: "When i win with white i win beacause i play white, when i win with black i win beacause i am Bogoljubov!..."
Efim Bogoljubov |
|Aug-20-04|| ||BluE DicE: Is there a mate here? The nastiest play I found was...|
28. Qxg2, Qxh4+
29. Qh3, Rxh1+
I think I could be missing something though.
|Aug-20-04|| ||Jack Rabbit: Indeed you have not.
Black's threat is 28 -- Rxh1#. I was thinking at first there was a mate, but your 28. Qxg2 parries it. Nevertheless, it parries at the cost of a Queen for a Rook, so White rightly resigned.
|Nov-09-04|| ||Gowe: Yes, there is mate in 5 moves.
28.Qxg2 Qxh4+ 29.Qh3 Re2+ 30.Kg1 Qe1+ 31.Qf1 Qg3+ And there is mate in one 32.Qg2 Qxg2++
|Nov-09-04|| ||Gowe: And that move <Jack Rabbit> doesn't cost a Queen for a rook, that move wins queen for nothing. Because 28.Qxg2 Qxh4 29.Qh3 Rxh1+, you change a rook by a rook and a queen for nothing. But there is a mate in 5 moves so... |
|Nov-09-04|| ||Brandon Titan Turner: that is definately not a mate. 29. ... Re2+ is met by 30. Nxe2. |
|Nov-09-04|| ||Saruman: 28.Qxg2 Qxh4+ 30.Qh3 Rxh1+ (of course!) 31.Kxh1 Qxh3+ gibt auf etc. |
|Nov-11-04|| ||Gowe: Definitely the move is 28.Qxg2 Qxh4+ 30. Qh3 Rxh1+! 31.Kxh1 Qxh3+ and black is winning |
|Nov-07-05|| ||chesskapagal: No its not going to be mate in 5moves instead it is going to take several moves. 28 Qc8+, Kh7, 29 Qf5+, Qxf5 30 Rxe1, Qh3+, 31 Kg1, Qg3...black will end up promoting one of its pawn to a queen to win the game.|
|Sep-12-06|| ||fred lennox: a wonderful, if early, showing of Bogoljubow's massive vigor. Alekhine admits 20.Rf1 was an error, recommending instead 20.Ne2 Qf5 21.Qe3 Rd3 2. Ng3 After this error, white tries a couple of "hopeful" moves. 21.Qg5, perhaps shaken by the poor previous move, it seems white "hopes" black will exchange queens, easing the position for him. 21. Qc5 is more effective. 22.Bxf7, this move is not bad, setting up a bit of a trap. If 22...Kf8 or Qxf7, white is on his feet again. ...Kf8 23.Qf5+ then Qxf2. Black shows himself in command.|
|Mar-03-07|| ||tpstar: Looking at Alekhine's line, maybe Black does better with 20. Ne2 Qf5 (20 ... Qg4?! 21. Qxf7+ Kh8 22. Ng3) 21. Qe3 Rad8 and if 22. Ng3 Qf6 hitting b2 & f2, since 21 ... Rd3 doesn't accomplish much. But then it's highly questionable whether Black has compensation for the piece.|
The final sequence is very powerful, starting with 21 ... Rxf2! and ending with 27 ... Bxg2! 0-1. Excellent tactics based on g2 plus the weak back rank.
|Aug-05-08|| ||Benzol: Alyekhin gets on the wrong end of a bit of rough and tumble here. A good performance by Bogolyubov.|
|Sep-19-08|| ||DoubleCheck: Possible Continuation
If 11. Nc3 not played
11. 0-0 Bg4
12. Ne5 0-0-0
13. Nxc6 Nxc6
14. Qf4 Qxd4
|May-14-09|| ||tickrider: Ha ha, bravo E.D. Bogoljubow. This is one example why he is my favorite classical player.|
|May-14-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: Alekhine could have had a clear advantage in this game, but justified Bogo's dubious line.|
|Apr-11-11|| ||HeMateMe: Bogo, at his peak at age 24, beats AAA. He was 40-45 in his two title matches with Alekhine, past his peak.|
|May-11-12|| ||King Death: This was a pretty combination by Bogo but I don't see what Black has for the piece after 19.Qe3. Fischer(!) improved this for Black almost 50 years later but it's never caught on (Tal vs Fischer, 1962).|
|Jul-28-12|| ||cyrusmari: <Jack Rabbit> 28.Qxg2 Qf4+ 29.Kh3 Re3+ 30.Qg3 Qxg3#|
|Jul-28-12|| ||perfidious: < HeMateMe: Bogo, at his peak at age 24, beats AAA....>|
In what way would Bogolyubov have been at his peak at 24? Do you really think he was playing better then, than when he won at Moscow 1925, a field which included all the strongest players in the world except Alekhine?
<....He was 40-45 in his two title matches with Alekhine, past his peak.>
When those matches were held, no-one could touch Alekhine-look at his results from 1930-34 in tournament play.
|Aug-22-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Alekhine vs Bogoljubov, 1914.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF BOGOLJUBOV.
Your score: 58 (par = 27)
PS. When I'm White, I demolish par because I'm White. When I'm Black, I demolish par because I'm Bogoljubov!
|Nov-25-12|| ||Mrs. Alekhine: Years later, <Alekhine> annotated this game for <Schach-Echo 1942, p41-2> and gave the following final move:|
With the following analysis: "If 27.Qxd7, there then follows 27...Qf4+ 28.g3 Qf2+ 29.Kh3 Rxh1+ 30.Kg4 h5+! and next Qxg3 (0-1). A pretty finishing attack!"
However, two much earlier sources give the score as follows:
-Schachmeisterpartien 1914, p18-20.
-Shakhmatny Vestnik 1915, p195.
|Nov-25-12|| ||Mrs. Alekhine: <HeMateMe: Bogo, at his peak at age 24, beats AAA. He was 40-45 in his two title matches with Alekhine, past his peak.> |
<HeMateMe>- Your post is so incorrect it's literally meaningless.
Bogo did not peak at age 24, for one. At age 35 he won the USSR Championship. At age 36 he won both the USSR Championship and the Moscow International Tournament (ahead of Capablanca and Lasker).
Chess metrics has Bogo at no.1 in the world in 1927, age 38.
A year later at <Bad Kissingen> Bogo finished top of the table, again ahead of Capablanca.
When Bogo lost to Alekhine in 1929, he was a whopping 3 (three) years older than Alekhine.
Curiously, when he lost again to Alekhine in 1934, he was *still* just three years older.
1. At age 24 Bogo was not in his prime.
2. Age had little or nothing to do with the comparative playing strengths of Bogo and Alekhine, since they were only 3 years apart.
|Nov-26-12|| ||perfidious: <Mrs Alekhine> You mean Bogoljubow did not age more rapidly than your dear, departed husband?|
Another myth exposed, another illusion by which I have lived my life shattered for good and all!
|May-12-13|| ||victor antoni: va alekhine tenia material de ventaja...... podia haber jugado profilacticamente y le gana facil.........|
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