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| Sep-07-09 | | TheMacMan: Qa1+!!!
Fischer is the greatest ever chessplayer, but capablanca and alekhine are close, very close to his strength |
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| May-10-11 | | WhiteRook48: 9 Qd2 is the better choice |
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| May-10-11 | | newton296: <RookFile: Fischer played a perfect game here.> does ...b6 (fisher's choice) in this position look like the perfect move? 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 1.5a w32:
1.  (-8.70): 29...Qxf4 30.Rf2 Qd4 31.Qb2 Qxb2 32.Rxb2 Rxf3 33.Kh2 Rd3 2. (-5.05): 29...Qf6 30.Kf1 Qxf4 31.Qc3 Bg4 32.Rf2 Bxf3 33.gxf3 Qf5 3. (-4.03): 29...b6 30.Qe3 Bg4 31.Bxg4+ R8xg4 32.Qe6+ Qxe6 33.dxe6 Rxf4 nice try fishbot! but there goes your "fisher played a perfect game here" theory. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | VinnyRoo2002: We've already gotten into the objective/subjective debate a few times on this site, but just making the preferred engine move does not equate to perfection in a game against humans. Why allow white counterplay if it's unnecessary? Perhaps the line that's -4.03 is easier for a human to caluclate and finish off then the line that's -8.70. I'm not the one claiming that Fischer played perfect in this game, but spouting off some engine lines without any regards for human factors is honestly not the best way to get good at chess or understand chess games between humans. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | DWINS: Clearly, 29...Qxf4 is a much better move than Fischer's 29...b6. Bobby appears to be afraid of ghosts in this position as White's "threat" of 30.Qxb7+ is a non-starter. Stockfish rates the position after 30.Qxb7+ as (-97.21), which is as bad as it gets short of finding a forced mate. The lines are not even especially complicated. The line Fischer plays certainly wins, but it does point out that the Fischer of 1992 was a shadow of the player he was in 1972. Back then, Bobby would not have played 29...b6. This is hardly surprising as he hadn't played a serious game in 20 years and barely merits a comment, but I think <newton296> felt the need to respond to <RookFile's> comment about Fischer playing a perfect game since <RookFile> is one of the Fischer fanboys who thinks that Fischer never made a bad move in his life. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | VinnyRoo2002: I don't disagree that Fischer did not play perfectly as rookfile stated, but I will say that defending an engine line with another engine line doesn't prove much. I'm not so sure if Fischer saw shadows or just figured why allow my opponent some play when it's not necessary. It's also speculation to say that in 1972 Fischer would not have played b6. It's impossible to demonstrate one way or another. |
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Apr-27-12
 | | harrylime: <DWINS>
Actually I like the way Fischer finishes off this game.. So do you know what you can do with your 'Stockfish' ? Sure.. The uber motivated streamlined classical Bobby of 1970 was better than the rusty,out of touch, aged and dishevelled Bobby of 1992 .. So ?? |
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May-08-13
 | | Jonathan Sarfati: Compare Stein vs Geller, 1966 |
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| May-08-13 | | RookFile: Some silliness here. Those computer lines all lead to astromonical values if you just slide them forward some more. Fischer's 29...b6 denies white the slightest hint of counterplay and wins the game. |
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| Jun-08-13 | | FrenchDefence: This was chess....nowadays you only see catalans,grunfelds sicilians and sometimes Ruy lopez and only some variations of them....then you could see benonis,pircs,alekhine's defence,sicilian lines rarely used today and QGD lines seldomly used,let alone ruy lopez lines that GMs avoid today.... |
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Apr-27-22
 | | PawnSac: <ughaibu: In the comments they both sound drunk to me.> They were playing the..
<Benoni Defense: MoreVodka System> |
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| Apr-27-22 | | rwbean: 9. ♕d2 is definitely best, 9. ♗d3? second best, about a 0.4 pawn difference. 6. ♗g5 is somewhere from 6th to 11th best move (multiPV search). 6. h3, ♗e2, ♘f3, ♗d3 all better. |
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Mar-26-23
 | | OhioChessFan: Really nice pun. |
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Mar-26-23
 | | HeMateMe: doesn't seem like a good opening for white, when black can still castle to safety on the queenside. It's a shame Fischer couldn't overcome his emotional problems and perhaps play matches against Ivanchuk or Peter Leko, Alexi Shirov, some of the chess stars of the day, after he came out of his shell to meet Spassky. But, Fischer was Fischer and that's the way it goes... |
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| Mar-26-23 | | savagerules: 99% of GMs would have played Fischer's 29...b6 here, only Niemann (and all the whiny weak nerds on Stockfish ) would have played 29...Qxf4 |
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Mar-26-23
 | | perfidious: Why go in for the pawn snatch when it is clear to any competent player that 29....b6 leaves White no chances at all? |
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Mar-26-23
 | | sorso: Spassky played this like unexperienced player |
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Mar-26-23
 | | Teyss: Why does the pun specifically fit this game and not another one from the match? Because the day it was played, Belgrade's opera was showing "Twilight of the Gods" by Wagner, which title inspired Nietzsche. Also, Nietzsche finished writing his book on 3 September 1888, hence exactly 1 month, 04 days and 104 years before the game was played: 1 + 04 = 104. Isn't that incredible? Last, the opening is named after Karel Hromadka but there also is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef... who who a theologian. (For those who are obtuse: Theology => Gods => Idols.) Hence a most fitting pun. Regarding the game itself, the comments above are better than what I could produce, with a few exceptions. |
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Mar-26-23
 | | Fusilli: <fredthebear>. FWIW, I don't see <perfidious>'s comment as belittling those who prefer 29...Qxf4, but as making a practical point. The only way I can see, as a tournament player, to prefer 29...Qxf4 is that I have decided to invest time in making sure my king will be ok, and I am quite sure my calculations are correct. But calculation means risk (mine are too often incorrect) while b6 shows zero risk. I would bet Fischer made this move in seconds. It was consistent with his temperament. |
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Mar-26-23
| | Fusilli: <Teyss> Your explanation makes the pun even better. Thank you! |
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Mar-26-23
| | perfidious: The pun would never have made any sense without <Teyss>' explanation. Ta.
As to <Fusilli>'s remarks, he is quite correct: as a practical matter, after a line such as 29....Qxf4, Black must, perforce, analyse some lines in which the play could become unclear, whereas after the typically pragmatic choice of Fischer, matters at the board went rather differently and his great opponent soon erred. It is ridiculous for the poster to characterise my agreement with the idea actually chosen as somehow 'belittling' others' contributions. |
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Mar-26-23
 | | Sally Simpson: I got the pun right away. Two great players in their twilight years recreating 1972. Teyss's explanation makes it even better. 29...b6 was the way to play it OTB. There was no need to get involved or give hope.
Yes allow 30.Qxb7+ if it was the only way to win but Fischer was in control of the game. |
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Mar-26-23
| | harrylime: Bobby takes a life time break .
Computers and EVERYTHING else has advanced since he was playin.. Yet he comes back and does this . and still gets slaughtered. I bow down to the greatest chess player . ( nearly all your opponents and deffo fans have long since left this mortal coil ) |
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| Mar-27-23 | | Olavi: While 29...b6 is a (even the) normal move to play, don't exaggerate the difficulty of calculating 29...Qxf4. You need just a glance to see that the bK is completely safe, given that the wR clearly cannot leave the second rank. (Qe3+ Kh2 Rh3+ and similar.) |
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Mar-27-23
 | | fredthebear: Boris was a worthy champion, and a gracious gentleman. Bobby is the GOAT as player, not as a person. 29...Qxf4 or 29...b6. Both moves are CORRECT. Grabbing the f-pawn is very risky; preventing White's Qxb7+ penetration is safe and sound. Both can win for Black, but the queen captures require dead accuracy from Black. The remark "...any competent player" was entirely unnecessary. The opposite of competent is "incompetent." It's more than just a word, it's an ever-present cyberbully attitude toward others. Namely, those who support 29...Qxf4. This degradation of others should have been stopped long, long ago. The editor feels anybody he deems untitled/unworthy should not express their opinions, chess or otherwise. Such disgusting signature harshness occurs post after post, year after year, decade after decade. incompetent
adjective
in·com·pe·tent (ˌ)in-ˈkäm-pə-tənt Synonyms of incompetent
1 a : lacking the qualities needed for effective action b : unable to function properly
incompetent heart valves
2 : not legally qualified
3 : inadequate to or unsuitable for a particular purpose A hardly suitable description for a risky but CORRECT chess move. Don't support cyberbullying else you are supporting the ever-present problem. Aren't chess players problem solvers? |
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