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|Jul-01-03|| ||drukenknight: Nobody is that much weaker at that level. You can demonstrate that mathematically too. Look at how many moves it takes for the win. Does it take 20? 30? or 40? invariably the better players will take longer to get beaten. |
|Jul-01-03|| ||Benjamin Lau: <Nobody is that much weaker at that level.> Then what are we arguing about? :-) I never believed that Geller could beat Spassky in a match, I was just trying to say that Geller was pretty close to Spassky and apparently you agree.|
<invariably the better players will take longer to get beaten.> With no reference to Geller v.s. Spassky specifically, you gotta know that isn't true. Closed games usually last longer even when one player is clearly better than the other. Games with d4 are more sturdy because the queen naturally protects the pawn and so the games drag out longer.
|Jul-01-03|| ||drukenknight: Geller is definitely really good. Have you looked at the Spassky/Geller 68 games. Ribeiro and I have started on two of them. They are fantastic trying to keep up with. |
|Mar-12-04|| ||amdocs: Michail Tal was considered as chess player with the best ability for calculation but here Geler overcalculates him. |
|Aug-28-08|| ||GrahamClayton: After 42.Kh8 Black runs out of checks, eg 42..h6 43.Be5 Be5 44. Nf7 Kh7 45. Ne5|
|Sep-03-08|| ||GrahamClayton: Source: "Batsford Book of Chess Records", Yakov Damsky, Batsford, 2005|
|May-28-09|| ||David2009: A great King march! Could Geller have won earlier by playing 31 QxNe7: |
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e.g. 31...Qg1+ 32 Kg3 Qf2+ 33 Kg4 Qxg2+ 34 Bg3; or 33...h5+ 34 Kg5
|Sep-03-09|| ||Frankspinosa: If 31 QxNe7 black plays 31...Qg1 32 Kg3 Qf2+ 33 Kg4 Qxg2+ 34 Bg3 h5+ 35.kf4 (35.Kh4, Qe4+ 36.Qxe4, Bf6#)Be5 36.Ke3 Qxg3|
|Jan-02-10|| ||ToTheDeath: The king leads the charge! What a beaut!|
|Jul-18-12|| ||Tal The Great: I don't think so Amdocs, 33...a6! would have forced white to check for the draw (his knight can't move because of Nd4+!)|
|Feb-08-13|| ||olpa: David2009: no, 31.QxNe7 is actually a win for <black>. 31...Qg1+ 32.Kg3 Qf2+ 33.Kg4 Qxg2+ 34.Bg3|
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And now: 34...h5+ 35. Kh4 Qe4+!! 36. Qxe4 Bf6#. Mate.
|Aug-08-13|| ||TheFocus: From the Alekhine Memorial.|
|Aug-30-13|| ||offramp: 31.Nb5 is a really good move. There were long lines to calculate. A very hard move to find!|
|Aug-30-13|| ||offramp: Is it Pirc week?|
|Aug-30-13|| ||Ratt Boy: <uglybird: 42.Kf8 threatens Nf7+, ...h6 (only move), 43.Qf7 (threatens Qg8#) Qxf7 44.Nxf7+ wins.>|
I don't see the mate after 43...♔h7. However, 44.♕g8+, ♔g6 45.♘e8, gxf4 46.♘xg7, ♗xg7 47.♕xg7+, ♔f5 48.♕f7+ looks pretty good.
|Aug-30-13|| ||Howard: If ya like this game, you can thank ME since I was the one who nominated it ! At any rate, Geller did miss a quicker win, but I don't recall exactly where. Kasparov's MGP, naturally, points it out. |
This game, by the way, was "Game of the Month" in the late Gligoric's monthly Chess Life and Review column, back in mid-July, 1976.
|Aug-30-13|| ||kevin86: What a twist! Tal chases the opponent's king to help mate HIM!|
|Aug-30-13|| ||Dezaxa: Another little cycle of domination (using chessgames.com data and ignoring draws): Tal beat Bronstein 12-8, Bronstein beat Korchnoi 10-7, Korchnoi beat Polugayesky 21-9 and Polu beat Tal 8-2.|
|Aug-30-13|| ||Boelke: How does white win this game when the black king is being checked to death? I find a lot of endings that don't make sense. Is anybody out there with the same feelings?|
|Aug-30-13|| ||drnooo: in that domination cycle, memory serves,
it is Keres who has them all beaten or
close to it, I know that Tal admitted
the one he had the most trouble with(not
going into his battles with Korchnoi) but
Tal at is beak simply could not make a dent in Keres. But then again very few
could. The percentage wins of Keres is
very close to any of the other biggies.
The odd thing was that Keres did not make
much of an impression on Capa, yet
Euwe said he was pretty fabulous.
Anyway, it has always fascinated me
too how one player has the edge on
one and someone can beat him and so on
and on, Geller over Fischer Lasker over
Alekhine and about a thousand other examples of that kind of mystification
|Aug-30-13|| ||talisman: tal played over 2,800 games. chose the pirc 13 times as black. 4 wins...4 losses.|
|Aug-30-13|| ||SaVVy66: I dont think No one has ever Beat Alekhine more games than alekhine beat them. I dont get why people praise capa and Fischer. While Kasprov himself praise alekhine . Max euwe wasnt above alekhine . Only capa was above alekhine and capa did not agreed to match with alekhine in mid 30 s due to some terms of agreement problem . I m sure alekhine would win that too|
|Aug-30-13|| ||perfidious: <SaVVy66>: There was Emanuel Lasker.|
|Aug-30-13|| ||nok: Especially 20...Nc8 reminds me of those games where Nakamura plays crapola with Black and gets killed.|
|Aug-30-13|| ||DavidD: Andrew Soltis, in The Inner Game of Chess, argued, correctly I believe, that Tal's greatest chess strength wasn't simply calculation, it was evaluation. Of course Tal had phenomenal calculating ability, but many of the positions he played for were simply to complex to solve completely by calculation. Tal had a genius for evaluating the end positions of his calculations. He instinctly knew when he had enough compensation for the sacrificed material.|
In the game with Geller, Tal made an uncharacteristic mistake of misevaluating his chances. And who can blame him? How rare is it for the White King to march to f7, be surrounded by four Black pieces (King, Queen, Bishop, and King) plus pawns, and not get mated!
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