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| MostlyAverageJoe: <sanyas: <MostlyAverageJoe> A bit harsh, he just got the move numbers mixed up.> Yeah, and also the position (he really started at the end of the game as it was played, not realizing that <sneaky>'s line was a variant branching at move 38. <Balaurul> I hope you were not offended. It was all in good fun -- as I said, I just could not resist. |
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Jul-06-07
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| MostlyAverageJoe: <sanyas: <MostlyAverageJoe> May I suggest, in your king-climbs-down-to-f2 line> Sure, that's one of alternate lines. Thanks. |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| battleaxe: I just gave up after 20 minutes to enjoy the solution. Anyway when you guys read those long variations do instantly understand and visualise them or do you check the board move by move ? |
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Jul-06-07
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| WannaBe: <battleaxe> Some of us can visualize it, some of us will need the help of the board, and some of us (me) don't even know what the funny symbols mean. |
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Jul-06-07
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| MostlyAverageJoe: <battleaxe>
I just paste them into the engine GUI and enjoy them, while monitoring the evaluation, with the eval display hidden, so I can check whether any move that I have doubts about is also questionable from the engine's point of view. Then revisit again with eval display visible, to see what I missed. I usually look only at the lines that are accompanied with interesting comments or are given in response to my posts. |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| vortex2639: Missed again, I had the same block as you YouRang, Nh3+ jumped at me, but I just couldn't see how to make it work. This was one of those "how did I not see that!" as the solution makes it look so simple. slightly annoying, but motivation to keep learning. |
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Jul-06-07
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| fm avari viraf: I being a great lover of Tennis, to-day, I witnessed a classic matches at Wimbledon. Marion Bartoli of France playing the best Tennis of her life shattered the dreams of Henin & Andy Roddick of USA in gruelling 5 setter marathon lost to another French player Gasquet thus ending his hopes to reach the final. Of course, there are many interesting matches yet to come & decide who will lift the most covetous Wimbledon Crown. Will it be Venus Williams to regain her lost crown in ladies or will Federer defend his title for the 5th consecutive time? That remains to be seen. Well, to-day, it took me 5 minutes to solve the problem. |
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Jul-06-07
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| acirce: <BTW-a maximummer is a problem solved by moving a piece the maximum geometric space possible for a move.> Not quite. A maximummer is a problem where the condition is that (normally) Black HAS to make the geometrically longest move (Ba1-h8 is longer than Rh1-h8), or choose between them if there are several equally long. Then of course there are variants, such as 'double maximummer', where it applies to both sides. You will often see maximummer in selfmates (i.e. White starts and forces Black to mate White in a given number of moves, while Black tries to avoid it). Here's one example:
click for larger viewComposed by Erich Bartel, published in The Problemist 1967. Maximummer selfmate in 2 moves. That is: White moves, Black moves, White moves, Black <has> to checkmate White. Black always tries to avoid it, but no matter what he does White can always force him to mate. |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| Ashram64: black's plan Ng3+, Ra8->h8 |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| xombie: Wonderful idea. Just goes to show that the chessic brain memorizes patterns. I too got this almost immediately, but I am sure I've seen a similar position sometime earlier. |
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Jul-06-07
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| Billy Ray Valentine: I got this one quickly... but of course I had seen this game long ago and remembered the counter-intuitive retreat of black's rook... |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| MaxxLange: I missed it even though I saw the game years ago. I'll console myself with the thought that retreating moves are supposed to be hard for us to see. Most of the time in chess we try to go forward, or something. |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| unferth: Is it legal to move a N in a "maximmumer," inasmuch as the moves are always of equal length? |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| PAWNTOEFOUR: yeah,i was familiar with this game,too....i hope i've seen tomorrow's before to lol |
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Jul-06-07
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| jackpawn: I am always amazed how the human mind works. I looked at this for a few seconds and found the solution immdiately. Other times, on objectively lesser problems, I couldn't find the solution. A case study should be done. |
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| Jul-06-07 |
| vibes43: The last time I got burned on such a roundabout I vowed never to forget. But I forgot. Good puzzle. |
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Jul-07-07
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| acirce: Solution to the maximummer problem:
1.Nd1! forcing Black to capture the knight - he has no longer move. Now he has the choice between four promotions, all of them leading to different continuations. This theme is called Allumwandlung (AUW); I don't know if there is an English term today. So 1..exd1=Q 2.Qd7! Qxd7#
1..exd1=R 2.Qd3! Rh1#
1..exd1=B 2.Qc2! Bg4#
1..exd1=N 2.Qf2+! Nxf2#
It's interesting to study why White has no other ways to force mate and why these ways work. |
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Jul-13-07
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| patzer2: The clearance sacrifice 38...Ng3+! leads to a pretty finish. |
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Sep-08-08
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| dabearsrock1010: chessbase database has Ng3 as the last move. |
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| Dec-21-08 |
| thebribri8: That is probably correct. If for some reason Karpov had decided to play on, wouldn't he have taken with the queen? |
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| Feb-23-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 39. Qxg3 Rxb1 40. Qf3. White gives up the exchange. Better this than getting mated immediately. |
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Mar-07-09
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| Some call me Tim: 40...Qxd5 followed by Rxb6 leads to an easily won ending but does hold on longer. I cannot imagine Karpov staying the duration to witness the execution. |
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| Mar-07-09 |
| Jim Bartle: "chessbase database has Ng3 as the last move."
So does the Informant. |
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| Sep-17-09 |
| Granny O Doul: So does the November or December 1977 Chess Life. |
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| Nov-23-09 |
| remolino: Beautiful finish. One of those combinations that makes us chess addicts. Simple and so exquisite. Karpov altogether missed it. |
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sac: 38...Ng3+
