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Viktor Korchnoi vs Anatoly Karpov
Karpov - Korchnoi World Championship (1978), City of Baguio PHI, rd 29, Oct-07
English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. Flohr-Mikenas-Carls Variation Nei Gambit (A19)  ·  1-0
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Oct-01-03
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  Benzol: Where exactly is "here"?
Oct-01-03  PVS: You mean "here" as in cyberspace or drukenknight's nation?
Oct-01-03
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  Benzol: <PVS> The latter.
Oct-01-03  drukenknight: It's my chess game, you are just pieces in it.
Oct-01-03
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  Benzol: <drukenknight> The big fromage huh.
Oct-01-03  PVS: <Benzol: The latter.>

Much less interesting philosophically. The only nation likely to actually have such a holiday is Kalmykia.

Oct-01-03  drukenknight: It's Kalmyia, I think.
Oct-01-03
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  Benzol: As long as you don't run into Kirsan.
Oct-01-03  drukenknight: Hey you know what? THe one best idea in chess that has come in a long time;

CUT DOWN ON TIME CONTROLS!!!

Who is behind that one? Kirsan. See. he's not so bad after all.

Oct-01-03
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  Benzol: He did pay Fischer outstanding monies for the Soviet version of 'My 60 Memorable Games' didn't he.
Oct-01-03  PVS: MTV GENERATION CHESS

All serious players rebuffed him for his absurd suggestion. I am not sure Fischer was owed anything under Soviet intellectual property law.

Oct-01-03
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  Benzol: <PVS> Fischer thought he was and said so during interviews in his second match with Spassky in 92.
Oct-01-03  drukenknight: Fischer probably thinks the jews owe him for not winning the interzonal in '59.
Oct-03-03
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  Benzol: Sylvester was talking about Korchnoi not getting much help, but he outperformed Karpov in this and a few other endgames in this match. His first victory in their 1974 match was similar to this one too.
Oct-04-03  drukenknight: Here is a very difficult endgame but perhaps it can be explained in simpler terms. This may be another example of a B on the wrong square. In such a case, you can be down a B but still draw because his pawn has to queen on a square of color opposite the B.

Look at the situation at blacks' 57th move. He moves the N all the way back to act as a blockade I guess.

He's using the N as a blockader because his K cannot get over there (due to whites Rook). The K is the classic blockader; if you are using the N perhaps you should think again.

Okay in the B wrong color ending, the N is expendable. What if 57...Rxf4+ followed by 58...Nxf4?

Does this simplify the situation enuf? With Rooks still on the board, there is still dangers, but if the Rooks come off the RP cannot queen. WIth Rs on the board, then black uses his pased pawns for counter play.

Oct-05-03
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  Benzol: <drukenknight> If 57...Rf4+;58.Kg3 Nxc4;59.bxc4 Rxc4;60.Rd6+ Kh5;61.Rd2 Ra4;62.Bd8 Rg4+ but what then?

If black can either exchange rooks or else force the last white pawn off then I agree with you. The bishop and wrong rook's pawn is drawn, and so is the rook and bishop versus rook ending.

Jun-11-04  drukenknight: UPDATE: THIS JUST IN. INTERNATIONAL GM RAYMOND KEANE HAS JUST WEIGHED IN WITH THIS SERIOUS SUGGESTION...

Ray says that the real suggestion was 64...Kf5 not 65..Kf5 well sorry about messing up that move there. But it doesnt look like it will hold does it? Giving up the pawn to go down 3 pawns to 1? even if he can somehow stop the a pawn white will trade it for blacks c pawn, and how will you stop two connected pawns?

64...Kf5
65. Bxg5 Na7
66. Rd7 Re6
67. Rxa7 Kxg5
68. Rc7 Rf6+
69. Ke3 Rf5
70. Rc6 Re5+
71. Kd2 Kf4
72. Rxa6 Rg5

looks bad, but maybe I am missing something.

Nov-11-04  drukenknight: Hey if Ray Keene ever gets back to this board you might want to ask him about 67...Rh2+

try it...

Nov-12-04  beatgiant: <drukenknight><67...Rh2+>

White can reply 68. ♔c3 , keeping all his threats, and now Black won't even get the b-pawn in exchange. Also, Black runs out of checks after 67...♖h2+ 68. ♔c3 ♖h3+ 69. ♔b2 ♖h2+ 70. ♔a3 .

Black's position looks hopeless at move 67, so could you give a more detailed description of your saving idea?

Dec-03-04
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  offramp: Almost the whole game revolves around the fact that Karpov's bishop is bad because of the pawn on c5.
Dec-03-04
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  ray keene: 67..rh2+ still pretty hopeless since the black n is also in danger of being cut off
Apr-10-08
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  Knight13: <67..rh2+ still pretty hopeless> Yeah, but loses slower than 67...8323.
Aug-10-16  Howard: The latest issue of NIC (which, naturally, had Korchnoi on the cover) analyses the endgame here, and it appears to point out a few things which other sources have missed.
Mar-01-17  Howard: Here is a short list of updates to this very interesting endgame, as given by Timman in a recent issue of NIC.

First, 64...Rf4+ is given by Timman as the first choice by engines, even though some people had branded it as a mistake.

Second, Timman claims that 65...Rh4 was (potentially) the decisive mistake on Karpov's part, adding that 65...Rf8 probably would have held the draw.

But, then Korchnoi almost botched the win by mistakenly playing 67.Kd2? rather than 67.Ke2! Karpov, in turn, could then have drawn by playing 67...Kf7. But, he missed that and the game was thus over at that point.

Readers might note that some of this differs from Kasparov's MGP. Apparently, computers have "come a way" since that volume came out.

Nov-25-17  Saniyat24: There goes the a-pawn....!!
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