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|Jun-26-07|| ||object16: <lifemasterAJ>
This is the link to lifemaster AJ's analysis. The way to find it is to
Google Kasparov vs Portisch Goldsby
and then a page shows up. Read through the page and you find link to "Best All-Time Games", scroll through that
and find the game you're looking for.
The link to Best All-Time Games is http://www.geocities.com/lifemaster...
|Jul-26-07|| ||execve: What is purpose of 9.Bb5+ ?
Preventing 0-0-0 ?
|Oct-08-07|| ||Jim Bartle: Keene: "in 1991 i had a discussion with kasparov in the jules verne restaurant of the eiffel tower-we were putting forward our respective choices for the best games ever played-i chose karpov v kasparov game 24 moscow 1985 as my representative kasparov game-he chose this one for his list!"|
Kasparov must have been in heaven, arguing which of his games is the greatest of all time. (Not that he's necessarily wrong...)
|Feb-10-09|| ||Sularus: <execve: What is purpose of 9.Bb5+ ?
Preventing 0-0-0 ?>
well, this is a late reply, but anyway...
9. Bb5+ forces black to move his c-pawn up and thereby blocking his bishop and preventing the black to take an outpost there.
If 9. ... Nc6, then i think white has 10. Qa4
|Aug-05-09|| ||traction: i havent analysed this game with an engine or anything but does any one think black could have tried to put up a bit of a fight with 34...QxR 35 RxQ Nf3+ followed by NxR|
Whites connected passed pawns on kingside plus blacks uncoordinated pieces probably enough for a white win...but i guess it might have been worth a try
|Sep-24-09|| ||WhiteRook48: how about 18...f5 to block the kingside|
|Oct-14-10|| ||VladimirOo: I tought Kasparov considered his win over Topalov his favorite game.|
Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999
|Apr-11-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: http://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af-...|
|Apr-11-11|| ||picard: <Life Master AJ> that was the worst analysis i have ever seen.|
|Sep-04-11|| ||DrMAL: <ray keene: he chose this one for his list!> Well, I am not sure how long his list was but he included it in his 5-DVD video "My Story" as well. Rightfully so, this game is brilliant and was personally important to his career. Moreover, as he points out in that video (volume 4, all are HIGHLY RECOMMENDED), it reflects his amazing style and underlying approach that so great helped chess. Seems Keene's statement is made out of jealousy perhaps rightfully so, his contribution to chess was incomparably less.|
As pointed out in the video, Portisch went 16...Na5 to attack the pawn on c4 (a good move) but then he played 17...exd5 instead of 17...Nxc4 and the knight was left doing nothing later on. This is where Garry already obtained a big advantage but he started to struggle with how to best proceed. Houdini shows 19.Bxh7+ as best (19.Nd4 also very strong), this move reflects Kasparov's style as well. After 20...Kg8! (actually, by far the best move) Kasparov was shocked and went into a long thought. He and GM Plaskett talked about 21.Rh5! objectively the best move according to engines such as Houdini. But, for Kasparov, whose chess philosophy was based on three dimensions (material, time, quality) rather than most at that time who thought material much more important, 21.Bxg7!? was a "straight swap" as he put it.
After 21.Kxg7 (best) Houdini evaluates 22.Ne5 as indeed best, still giving solid advantage to white with 22.Rf5 as also very strong. According to this engine, they both played the best possible sequence until 26...Qc5?! where 26...Qe5 or 26...Qe2 were stronger. After 27.Qh7! white's attack was decisive if conducted perfectly. Kasparov did so where, according to Houdini (the position is quite complicated still so it's good to check here!) Portisch played best moves as well with the exception of 30...Ne5? instead of 30...Bd6 either way black was lost. The king walk finishes this Masterpiece with beautiful style. This was indeed one of Kasparov's (many!) amazing games and it particularly exemplifies his style being very instructive to all as such. And it is one for Keene to be totally jealous of (too bad he clearly is). Even the CG caption "Very Garry" is "Verry Apropos."
|Sep-25-11|| ||ray keene: it was a very light hearted and good natured discussion-over a very good lunch. the point was to identify the quintessential kasparov win-i felt the karpov game was better because it made garry the youngest ever world champion and was full of truly original dynamic ideas which i had never seen before-such as rooks doubled behind a pawn on e6!! btw i annotate the win v portisch in the times next saturday; and promise- i was never jealous of garry-i dont come into his league as a player!! i have always admired him-occasionally disagreed with him but never felt envy at all.|
|Sep-25-11|| ||perfidious: <ray> It's unfortunate, but the statement impugning you and your considerable contributions to chess was made by a poster who has a proven track record of imputing his own feelings to others.|
As to being nowhere near Kasparov as a player, who among us is?
|Sep-25-11|| ||HeMateMe: The Jules Verne restaurant--second coming of the Divan?|
|Oct-02-11|| ||DrMAL: <ray keene: i was never jealous of garry-i dont come into his league as a player!!> My apology, Ray, your comment perplexed me before and I took it wrong way. While he won his last game in the 1985 WC match, Kasparov was otherwise not proud of Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985. Rightfully so, with verification from modern engine I showed there how 23.f5! could have won. Kasparov was doubtless aware of this but without engine it is much more difficult to "prove." And why would he want to do this for game that he won to become WC anyway? This game, on the other hand, was truly one of his very best, cheers.|
|Oct-28-11|| ||Crazychess1: 21.Bxg7!! is one of my favorites from Kasparov. It really does look like old-time chess. And then to follow it up with something like 22.Ne5 . . . truly elegant.|
|Oct-28-11|| ||bronkenstein: Kasparov himself comments the game (start from 4:50 If you want to go straight to the beginning) :|
|Dec-20-11|| ||Nemesistic: Iv just watched an hour or so of a marathon Kasparov documentary called "My Story",and he picks this game out as one of his favourites..|
The interviewer/narrator seems really impressed when GK says to him "You'll like this" and shows him the mating possibilities after the bishop sac ( which GK says isn't a sac,because of the resulting position! ).
I was impressed too
|Jan-19-12|| ||indoknight: the surprises combo was begin at 17.d5! black cannot 17...Nxc4 because 18.Bxc4 Qxc4 19.Qxc4 Rxc4 20.Ne5!! Rc2 21.dxe6! threatening fork in Rook at d7!|
|Jun-09-12|| ||Anderssen99: Although 21.Bxg7 is strong and in the true "Kasparovian Style" the alternative 21.Rh5 is even stronger. Is it not?|
|Jun-09-12|| ||Honza Cervenka: 21.Rh5 looks really strong. White threatens once again to sac the Bishop on g7 and with much greater effect as the Rook is on the Kingside now in comparison to the game continuation, and moreover Qe4 look like a threat too, especially if black tries to meet Bxg7 followed by Ne5 with 21...Nc4, which leaves him without possibility to cover h7 by Queen from c2. 21...Qc2 is the only way to meet both threats at once I can see but after 22.Qxe7 Qxb2 23.Ne5 with threats like 24.Ng6 fxg6 25.Qe6+ etc. or 24.Qh4 black position is a ruin. After 23...Rc1 24.g4 Rxf1+ 25.Kxf1 black probably doesn't get a mate but he will be hardly able to liberate his play without loss of a Pawn or two with simple technical win for white.|
|Sep-25-12|| ||whiteshark: Kasparov comments on his game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10dE...|
|Jan-23-13|| ||Tigranny: I feel that this game is better than Game 24 of 1985, but definitely not better than Kasparov-Topalov. It just seems to have more beauty in it with the double bishop sac, along with it being Game of the Day.|
|Jan-23-13|| ||keypusher: <Tigranny: I feel that this game is better than Game 24 of 1985, but definitely not better than Kasparov-Topalov. It just seems to have more beauty in it with the double bishop sac, along with it being Game of the Day.>|
But it isn't a double bishop sacrifice, because Kasparov picked up Portisch's bishop on d5 after he played Bxh7+. It's a single-bishop sacrifice. In fact after 20....Kg8 it looks like you're in the middle of a double-bishop sac. When I first saw this game I immediately focused on 21.Bxg7 for just that reason. I'm sure lots of other rotten players did the same. And it appears from the commentary here that 21.Rh5 may have been stronger than the sacrifice anyway, and Portisch certainly missed some better defenses.
Frankly I've never really understood the love for this game. Young Kasparov played lots of better ones, I think.
|Jan-23-13|| ||keypusher: Here's a really good post by sneaky from 2005 explaining how different this game is from the classic two-bishop sacrifice.|
<A common double bishop sac works like this:
It starts off with Bxh7+ (conceivably Bxh2+ but this is much more rare, so I'll describe it from White's point of view here.) After ...Kxh7 (usually forced) comes Qh5+ and ...Kh8. Then the second bishop is given up: Bxg7, and in light of Qh8# it must be captured, so ...Kxg7, and then usually comes a check to get the king over to the h-file, and finally a rook lift to threaten Rh(something)+ which brings down the house.
That is your garden variety double bishop sac, seen in countless games starting with Lasker vs J Bauer, 1889 but also see Koltanowski vs Defosse, 1936 and G Kuzmin vs Sveshnikov, 1973 for more examples of the common form this sacrifice takes.
This game on the other hand does not fit that mold at all.>
Of course, the fact that the game isn't a chessic cliche makes it better. But I've still never been able to get that enthusiastic about it (and I have no trouble getting enthusiastic about Kasparov games).
|Mar-03-13|| ||Tigranny: <keypusher> Sorry. I just realized now that you said it was just one bishop being sacced. Possibly overrated I guess now.|
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