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| Jun-13-06 |
| Petrocephalon: What happens if Black tries 24..Bd6?
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| Jun-13-06 |
| borisbadenoff: 25. Qf6 Bxe5 (Threat: Ng6+) 26. Rxe5 Qxe5 (Threat Qh8#) 27. Qxe5 Which should give white a pretty decent game ;) |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| blingice: <Petro> Also possibly 25. Rxd6! Rxd6 26. Nxf7 Qxf7 27. Qxc8+, winning a pawn and trading the knight for the bishop. I don't know if that would be optimal though, because black has two pawns, a rook, a knight, and a queen against Garry's four pawns, a rook, and a queen. I really don't know. I'll probably look at that with Chessmaster later. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| Petrocephalon: <blingice> Yes, I considered that variation. I'm not sure though that white's three connected passed pawns are much use in this case. Will be interested in what Chessmaster has to say. <Boris> nailed it with 25.Qf6. |
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| Jun-13-06 |
| blingice: <Petro> Chessmaster seems pretty confident that 24..f6 is best. Here's the line Chessmaster gives: <24...f6 25.Nd7+ Rxd7 26.Rxd7 Qe5 27.Qh7 Rc7 28.Rxc7 Qxc7 29.Rd1 Nc4 30.a4 Ne5 31.h3>, and the engine evaluates it at .62, and results in this position:
click for larger viewAs to your suggestion of 24..Bd6, Chessmaster's follow up to such a move is <25.Qf6 Bxe5 26.Rxe5 Qxe5 27.Qxe5 Kg8 28.Qg5+ Kf8 29.Qh5 Kg7 30.Re1 Rc5 31.Qg4+ Kf8 32.Qh4> and results in this position: 
click for larger viewAnd black is done like dinner.
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| Jul-04-06 |
| Zorts: Could white have won any quicker if 21.Rf1 d1 or something more conservative/less flashy than the bishop takes pawn move? |
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Oct-27-06
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| micartouse: It's possible that Kasparov had the classic game Nimzowitsch vs Tarrasch, 1914 in mind when playing 17. d5! since that game features a similar breakthrough in a hanging pawns position followed by a double bishop sac. |
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| Oct-29-06 |
| Fisheremon: <micartouse: It's possible that Kasparov had the classic game Nimzowitsch vs Tarrasch, 1914 in mind when playing 17. d5!> It was noted in Game Collection: King hunt
By the way it was not a double bishop sac. The only sac was 21. Bxg7 which belongs to the sort of intuitive sacs (as Kasparov confessed after).
<ryanpd: Rybka 1.1 thinks that Portisch's 30. ... Ne5?? was a huge blunder, and that black may have been able to escape with 30. ... Bd6!?>
Indeed Portisch missed 30... Nd6! leading to a draw. In Nimzowitsch vs Tarrasch, 1914 White after 19. exd4 ?? has a totally lost position (here a single sac 19...Bxg2 might be nicer at least it could give a fierce attack leading to a quicker win in all variations). Instead of 19. exd4 Keene suggested 19. Rfe1 = position. |
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| Mar-26-07 |
| sanyas: <iamverywellatchess> lol |
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Mar-26-07
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| ray keene: in 1991 i had a discussion with kasparov in the jules verne restaurant of the eiffel tower-we were putting forward our respective choices for the best games ever played-i chose karpov v kasparov game 24 moscow 1985 as my representative kasparov game-he chose this one for his list! |
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Apr-07-07
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| aazqua: Of course it's absurd for anyone to comment on it, but I'd say you made a much better choice Ray. |
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Jun-26-07
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| Wolfgang01: aazqua: It's a matter of taste – Ray's choose is as good as Gary's.
micartouse: There's no double bishop sac. The white-lined bishops are exchanged. It's a single bishop sac. |
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| Jun-26-07 |
| CorkChess: Is 18. ...Bxd5 not a weak move? |
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| Jun-26-07 |
| Skylark: I think, rather, <aazqua> that you are merely underestimating the brilliance of this game. Starting with the classic sacrifice 17. d5!, and culminating with the beautiful 21. Bxg7!!, this attack is very aesthetic and also quite accurate. It is noteable that Portisch played extremely well for the most part in this games - attacks are meaningless without good resistance. 30. ... Ne5 was a mistake, but one could say that black is already in deep trouble already, and finding any kind of defense at the board would have been a joyless task. This is one of my favourite Kasparov games. |
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| Jun-26-07 |
| GREEKPINCH: Dear oh dear,the black Queen is just a stranded bystander while the life and position is getting sucked out of the black King.Fantastic ending with a beautiful Bishop sacrifice. |
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Jun-26-07
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| outplayer: <ray keene> This is possibly the best game Kasparov ever played. |
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Jun-26-07
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| Peligroso Patzer: <ray keene: in 1991 i had a discussion with kasparov in the jules verne restaurant of the eiffel tower-we were putting forward our respective choices for the best games ever played-i chose karpov v kasparov game 24 moscow 1985 as my representative kasparov game-he chose this one for his list!> Here is a link to the game mentioned by GM Keene:
Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 |
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Jun-26-07
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| kevin86: It is so hard to judge great games because there are so many criteria to go by. However,when a man at this level chooses this as his own best game,it becomes quite necessary to take notice. It looks good enough to me! |
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Jun-26-07
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| Chessmensch: <LIFE Master AJ> I know your post on Angelfire (the analysis) from 8/26/05 is a couple of years old but the link no longer exists. If you see this could you post it again? |
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| Jun-26-07 |
| object16: <lifemasterAJ>
http://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af-...
This is the link to lifemaster AJ's analysis. The way to find it is to
Google Kasparov vs Portisch Goldsby
and then a page shows up. Read through the page and you find link to "Best All-Time Games", scroll through that
and find the game you're looking for.
The link to Best All-Time Games is http://www.geocities.com/lifemaster... Enjoy.
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| Jul-26-07 |
| execve: What is purpose of 9.Bb5+ ?
Preventing 0-0-0 ? |
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| Oct-08-07 |
| Jim Bartle: Keene: "in 1991 i had a discussion with kasparov in the jules verne restaurant of the eiffel tower-we were putting forward our respective choices for the best games ever played-i chose karpov v kasparov game 24 moscow 1985 as my representative kasparov game-he chose this one for his list!" Kasparov must have been in heaven, arguing which of his games is the greatest of all time. (Not that he's necessarily wrong...) |
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| Feb-10-09 |
| Sularus: <execve: What is purpose of 9.Bb5+ ?
Preventing 0-0-0 ?>
well, this is a late reply, but anyway...
9. Bb5+ forces black to move his c-pawn up and thereby blocking his bishop and preventing the black to take an outpost there. If 9. ... Nc6, then i think white has 10. Qa4 |
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| Aug-05-09 |
| traction: i havent analysed this game with an engine or anything but does any one think black could have tried to put up a bit of a fight with 34...QxR 35 RxQ Nf3+ followed by NxR Whites connected passed pawns on kingside plus blacks uncoordinated pieces probably enough for a white win...but i guess it might have been worth a try |
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| Sep-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: how about 18...f5 to block the kingside |
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sac: 21.Bxg7