| Feb-04-03 |
| Spitecheck: What was he on drugs (Timman), that's brilliant, seems he actually out calculated Kasparov in this one. |
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| Feb-06-03 |
| TheOppositeOfChess: Seriously, J.T's gonads were made of steel. |
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| Feb-06-03 |
| drukenknight: looks like Gary got into time trouble, what about: 33...Qb6? |
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Feb-07-03
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| Honza Cervenka: If 33...Qb6, then what about 34.Ng4 g5 35.Qc3+ Ne5 36.Rxe5 dxe5 37.Qxe5+ Kh7 38.Qf6? |
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| Feb-07-03 |
| drukenknight: hmmm, I dunno. 33....c5 would cover the N fork. |
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Feb-17-03
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| Honza Cervenka: Yes, 35...c5 covers the fork but it doesn't solve all black's problems. Simple 34.Qc3 looks quite promising for white then, for example 34.Qc3 Ne5 35.Ng4 c4 36.Qc1 Nxg4 37.Qxa3 cxb3 38.hxg4. |
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| Feb-17-03 |
| corbinamman: So what was Garry's mistake? At what point did he say, "oh @%#!"? |
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Feb-18-03
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| Honza Cervenka: 35...Ba4 looks like a decisive mistake. 35...Kg7 would have been certainly better. |
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| Feb-18-03 |
| Sarimanok: If 35...Kg7 then 36.fxe5 still white has an advantage. |
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Feb-18-03
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| Honza Cervenka: After 35...Kg7 36.fxe5 dxe5 37.Qb2 Qa7+ 38.Kh1 cxd5 (I don't like 38...f6 39.d6) 39.Qxe5+ Kh7 40.Bxd5 (40.Qxd5 Bc6!?) 40...Qf2! I don't think that white has an advantage. Activity of black pieces seems to be sufficient to hold balance. For example 41.Bxf7 leads to draw immediately: 41...Rxh3+! 42.gxh3 Bc6+ 43.Bd5 Bxd5+ 44.Qxd5 Qxe1+ etc. But maybe I'm missing something. |
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| Feb-18-03 |
| corbinamman: What if we stick with the text until 37...Qb6+ 38.Re3 Qd4? 39.d7 Ra1+? Does white have a better move in that sequence? |
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| Feb-19-03 |
| Sarimanok: < After 35...Kg7 36.fxe5 dxe5 37.Qb2 Qa7+ 38.Kh1 cxd5 39.Qxe5+ Kh7 40.Bxd5 Qf2!> An interesting possibility Honza. :) However, what if 35...Kg7 36.fxe5 dxe5 37.Qb2 Qa7+ 38.Kh2. White still has the initiative. |
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Feb-19-03
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| Honza Cervenka: O.K., after 35...Kg7 36.fxe5 dxe5 37.Qb2 Qa7+ 38.Kh2 my idea with cxd5 39.Qxe5+ Kh7 40.Bxd5 Qf2 doesn't work. Black then has probably nothing better to do than 38...f6 39.d6. Of course, after that white has the initiative but black position seems to be defensible yet. Kasparov's 35...Ba4 loses immediately. (To corbinamman) If 37...Qb6+, then 38.Kh2 Qd4 39.Qxd4 exd4 40.d7 etc. |
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| Feb-19-03 |
| Sarimanok: I agree with you that 35...Ba4 loses immediately. This game is an exciting battle. One of Timman's best games. |
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Feb-19-03
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| Honza Cervenka: 31...Ra3 doesn't look like the best idea. Why not simply 31...Nxc1? I think that after 31...Ra3 white could play also 32.Rxc6 Qa7 (32...Bxc6 33.Qxd3 Bd7 34.Qd4+ Re5 35.Nxd6 Qxd6 36.Rxe5 etc.) 33.Qc3+ Re5 34.Rxd6 Rxb3 35.Qxb3 Nxe1 36.Qc3 Nd3 37.Nc5 etc. Of course, Timman's 32.Nf6 was an excellent and beautiful move. |
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| Oct-05-03 |
| Catholic Bishop: Contender for Best final position ever |
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| Feb-24-04 |
| ruylopez900: The black  is checked by the white  which is attacked by the black which is pinned to its by the white  which is pinned to its by the black |
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| Mar-27-06 |
| EmperorAtahualpa: 35.d6! That was a tasty poisoned pawn. :)
Awesome combination by Timman! |
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| Mar-27-06 |
| offramp: This game was game 3 of a match at full time controls which Kasparov won +3 -1 =2. This was Kasparov's first loss as World Champion. The game header is not very helpful. Here is a fuller version along with the opening moves. The game contains one of those standard Spanish repetitions which has been excluded from the score given above - the actual game was 41 moves. [Event "Hilversum (m/3) 40/440"]
[Site "Hilversum"]
[Date "1985.12.17"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Timman, Jan"]
[Black "Kasparov, Garry"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C93"]
[WhiteElo "2640"]
[BlackElo "2700"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[EventDate "1985.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3
O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Nf3 Re8 13. Nbd2 Bf8 ... and now as above. |
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| Mar-27-06 |
| offramp: ...And the white bishop is pinned to the rook by the black bishop. This game was played 17th December 1985.
41.Qf6+ is a good move but 41.Qf8+ is better. They both win. |
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| Aug-13-07 |
| russep: Isn't this game a duplicate?? |
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