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| Dec-30-04 |
| Shams: <MindlessOne> 13...Bxh2+ 14.Kh1 |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| MindlessOne: <shams>
hmm... that crossed my mind but I didnt really see it as too much of a possibility. I guarantee know that im looking at it that keres would have simply responded Kh1 and continued with the exact same attack. Oh well, just for argument though, if that king captures the knight the game is lost, so isnt Bxh2+ a chance worth taking? |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| Shams: not just the exact same attack, but a better attack, since black`s bishop is loose. sure, take a chance that Keres will play an obviously bad move, why not? everything loses for black at this point anyway. he grabbed pawns and neglected development against Keres. very foolish. by the way I disagree that the game is lost for white if he does take the bishop. after:
13...Bxh2+
14.Kxh2 Qc7+
15.Kg1 Qxf7
16.Re1+
Keres would still have made mincemeat out of him. black`s extra pawns are not dangerous, his pieces are all on the back rank and his king rook will never get out. my opinion. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| MindlessOne: <shams>
I never said that the game would be lost for white, all I said is blacks chances would have been better. Heres something for you that Ive been toying with but need follow-up help. What if 10.Qc2 threatening mate. I realize this would have easily been parried by black, but can you see any combination or interesting follow through? |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| Shams: sorry I misread your post.
can`t say I like 10.Qc2 since black can play ...Nc6 or something else. white needs moves that advance his plan whether or not black falls for the trap, and Qc2 doesn`t do much, right? O-O is best I think. I would suggest you are spending too much time on a not very educational game. ;) |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| MindlessOne: Yes, this game isnt that great but this it isnt the only game im working on, Im reading Kasparovs Great Pred. Book, that is truly a great book, anyway, Nc6 did occur to me, I just like finding strange combination in seemingly sound positions. Although, white should follow up with his current plan I agree. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| noone2: I am curious about
14 ... Kf8 - anyone fill in how white wins? |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| WMD: <14 ... Kf8 - anyone fill in how white wins?> Idea is 15.R(any)e1 Bd7 16.Re3. Can only be averted by fatal material loss. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| aw1988: 14...Kf8 also loses: 15. Rfe1! plan Re3, and black has absolutely no defense. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| aw1988: Gah, beaten again. The <batty old codger> is slow. |
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Dec-30-04
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| kevin86: Out of art only:look at these two pawn structures-
Diamond shape after black's fifth.
Wp on d4,e5-Bp on c5,d6 with a filler on d5.
Black trips on d4,d5,d6-garnished by white pawns on c3,e5-JUST three moves later. A grand king side attack by Paul Keres. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| themindset: i never understood that final exchange sac before Qf6+ Crafty just confirmed that an immediate Qf6+ is more precise. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| Castle In The Sky: The moral of the story is greed is not always good. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| MindlessOne: I think more correctly the moral of the story is...
The greedy will always miss out on the finer things in life and never question what they missed until its too late. :) |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| hintza: This game strongly reminds me of a quote by Nimzowitsch: "Never play to win a pawn if your development is yet unfinished!" |
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Dec-30-04
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| notyetagm: I like 17  fe1!, the rook is untouchable because of the line 17 ...  xe1+?? 18 xe1 b1= 19 h7+!  f8 20  h6#. At first I thought Black could play 17 ... xe1+?? in a desperate attempt to trade off the White rooks but then I saw that White does not have to play 19 xb1? but instead can play the mate in 2 given above, starting with 19 h7+!. |
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| Dec-30-04 |
| offramp: Perhaps 12...Bb4 - to prevent a rook going to e1 - was a better chance. |
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| Dec-31-04 |
| WMD: Keres annotated this game and wrote: 'If however, Black had played 14...Kf8, then I had prepared the following variation: 15.Rfe1 Bd7 16.Qf3+ (also good is 16.Re3) 16...Kg8 17.Be7! and White wins.' But here Black can play 17...Bxh2+ 18.Kxh2 Nc6 and the game continues. |
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Jan-01-05
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| patzer2: Kere's 18. xe4! dxe4 19. f6+ sets up a nice deflection mate: [19...Ke8 20. Qe6+ Kf8 21. Bh6#; 19...Kg8 20. Qxg6+ Kf8 21. Qxd6+ Kf7 22. Qf6+ Kg8 23. Bh6  ] |
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Jul-03-06
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| notyetagm: What in the world was Winter thinking? Grabbing all those pawns on the Black side of an open Sicilian against Keres, the "Sicilian-Buster"? |
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| Dec-08-06 |
| Old Woodpusher: I read the bio. page on William Winter, & it confirmed some detail I had read on him in a 1970's copy of Chess magazine.
Didn't know that he had been imprisoned though.
Does anyone know of any other biographical information on him ?
Thanks. |
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| Sep-12-07 |
| miguel12: <WMD: Keres annotated this game and wrote: 'If however, Black had played 14...Kf8, then I had prepared the following variation: 15.Rfe1 Bd7 16.Qf3+ (also good is 16.Re3) 16...Kg8 17.Be7! and White wins.' But here Black can play 17...Bxh2+ 18.Kxh2 Nc6 and the game continues.> I completely agree...I own Vukovic's Art of Attack and it gives 17 Bxe7 as winning (17...Bxe7 18 Rxe7 ), but CM 8000 agrees with 17...Bxh2+ 18. Kxh2 Nc6 - I guess Vukovic took Keres' own analysis as the truth, instead of analyzing other options for black. I cant see a forced win for white in this line, although black will have to solve his Rh8 problem. |
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Dec-31-08
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| whiteshark: I've heard the party afterwards degenerated into a general booze-up. The game of the next day
Flohr vs Keres, 1935 was to that effect.
:D |
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| Feb-15-09 |
| WhiteRook48: who Keres about passive play by Black in the middle of Winter? |
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Feb-18-09
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| whiteshark: <Looks like an early Winter for us> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYl... |
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sac: 13.Nxf7
