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W Winter 
William Winter
Number of games in database: 175
Years covered: 1919 to 1950
Overall record: +40 -78 =57 (39.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.

With the White pieces:
 Nimzo Indian (19) 
    E23 E27 E22 E21 E32
 Orthodox Defense (13) 
    D63 D50 D52 D68 D55
 King's Indian (8) 
    E72 E67
 Slav (7) 
    D10 D18 D15 D19 D12
 Tarrasch Defense (5) 
    D34 D33 D32
 Queen's Gambit Declined (5) 
    D30 D31 D39 D38
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (17) 
    B20 B58 B29 B72 B74
 Orthodox Defense (9) 
    D52 D63 D51 D60 D61
 Semi-Slav (8) 
    D46 D48 D43
 Queen's Pawn Game (8) 
    D02 A45 D05 D00 A46
 Caro-Kann (8) 
    B15 B16 B14 B13
 Nimzo Indian (6) 
    E43 E22 E37 E38 E40
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Nimzowitsch vs W Winter, 1927 0-1
   G A Thomas vs W Winter, 1927 0-1
   W Winter vs Koltanowski, 1936 1-0
   Bronstein vs W Winter, 1946 0-1
   Botvinnik vs W Winter, 1936 1/2-1/2
   W Winter vs M Romi, 1926 1-0
   W Winter vs C H Alexander, 1936 1/2-1/2
   W Winter vs Sultan Khan, 1930 1-0

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   London (1927)
   Hastings 1936/37 (1936)
   London B (1946)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   London 1927 by suenteus po 147

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(born Sep-11-1898, died Dec-17-1955, 57 years old) United Kingdom

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William Winter was born on the 11th of September 1898 in Medstead, England. He was the nephew of Sir James M. Barrie (the creator of Peter Pan). Awarded the IM title in 1950 he was British Champion in 1935 and 1936. He was also London Champion in 1926, 1928-29, 1932, 1939 and 1947. He played on 4 English Olympiad teams during 1930-35 and worked as a chess journalist for the Manchester Guardian and the Daily Worker.

He pursued a radical political career at one stage which led to a 6 month prison sentence for sedition.

He had a number of fine victories over some great players e.g. David Bronstein, Aron Nimzowitsch and Milan Vidmar, but a bohemian style and fondness for drink limited his possibilities. He passed away in London in 1955.

 page 1 of 7; games 1-25 of 175  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. W Winter vs Olland  0-145 1919 HastingsD33 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
2. G A Thomas vs W Winter 1-047 1919 HastingsB16 Caro-Kann, Bronstein-Larsen Variation
3. W Winter vs Capablanca 0-129 1919 HastingsC49 Four Knights
4. B Kostic vs W Winter  1-028 1919 HastingsD33 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
5. W Winter vs Yates  1-037 1919 HastingsD32 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
6. R P Michell vs W Winter  1-022 1919 HastingsA52 Budapest Gambit
7. V L Wahltuch vs W Winter 1-021 1919 HastingsD60 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox Defense
8. H G Cole vs W Winter 1-033 1919 HastingsB16 Caro-Kann, Bronstein-Larsen Variation
9. M Marchand vs W Winter  1-021 1920 match2D34 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
10. W Winter vs M Marchand  ½-½36 1920 matchA01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
11. M Marchand vs W Winter  1-028 1920 matchB15 Caro-Kann
12. M Marchand vs W Winter  ½-½25 1920 matchD34 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
13. M Marchand vs W Winter  ½-½28 1920 matchB58 Sicilian
14. W Winter vs J Storr-Best  1-031 1925 Bromley prel CD63 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox Defense
15. R Crepeaux vs W Winter  0-129 1925 Bromley Premier-BB23 Sicilian, Closed
16. W Winter vs H B Uber 1-041 1925 British ChampionshipD15 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
17. W Winter vs H H Hahlbohm  1-033 1926 Chicago-London cable mD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
18. W Winter vs M Romi 1-016 1926 ParisE16 Queen's Indian
19. Nimzowitsch vs W Winter 0-145 1927 LondonA01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
20. W Winter vs V Berger  1-049 1927 LondonE38 Nimzo-Indian, Classical, 4...c5
21. W Winter vs Tartakower 0-148 1927 LondonD30 Queen's Gambit Declined
22. W Fairhurst vs W Winter  1-054 1927 LondonD52 Queen's Gambit Declined
23. W Winter vs Vidmar 1-044 1927 LondonE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
24. Yates vs W Winter  ½-½33 1927 LondonC01 French, Exchange
25. Reti vs W Winter 1-030 1927 LondonA09 Reti Opening
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Dec-21-09  HeMateMe: <SufferingBruin:> Are you Bobby Orr?
Dec-22-09  sciencegirl: That's a strong quote - where did you get it from again?
Dec-22-09  Jim Bartle: I found this:

In C.N. 559 William Hartston (Cambridge, England) presented this quote from a 1960 paper by Dr Félix Martí Ibáñez: ‘To checkmate the opponent’s king in chess is equivalent to castrating and devouring him, becoming one with him in a ritual of symbolic homosexualism and cannibalistic communion, thus responding to the remnants of the infantile Oedipus complex.’

Dec-22-09  sciencegirl: Ohh, thanks. I wish back issues of CN could be accessed on-line.
Dec-22-09  Karpova: <HeMateMe: From a recent Winter column:>

For sure, but this is William Winter's page. Edward Winter has his own player page...

Dec-22-09  Cibator: To all who've been asking about biographies or biographical sources for Winter: his "Memoirs" were serialised in the UK magazine "Chess" during 1962-63. (I forget the exact dates, and the miserable so-and-so I left my copy with when I emigrated has never seen fit to send it on to me as promised.)

They ran over about 8 issues at 2-3 pages a time, making by my estimate a total of some 12,000 words. There were a few games included, one being the win over Nimzowitsch, and a photo or two.

No mention in them that I recall of any woman influencing his political activities. The trial (before Mr Justice Avory, a character second only to Lord Goddard in notoriety) got a lengthy and amusing account that gave acute insight into police tactics in the courtroom when prosecuting political cases. Winter conducted his own defence: he'd had legal training and had had to earn his living at the law for a time, until he secured a chess column.

In one of the last chapters he took a characteristically severe swipe at C H O'D Alexander (by that time a fairly high-ranking civil servant) for running no fewer than three columns, thus depriving needy would-be chess professionals of some sorely-needed income. (But he gracefully acknowledged Alexander's stature as a player.)

Not unexpectedly, the alcohol problem was denied to exist as such.

Dec-23-09  sciencegirl: Yes it is William Winter I'm interested in, or rather his connection with my great grandmother -who I don't think had political affiliations herself.
Feb-18-10  Tumshie: Sciencegirl, I asked a question about his memoirs way back in November 2005 and was unable to get a copy until a friendly newspaper chess columnist was able to send me copies in (I think) PDF file form. I would be happy to forward copies to you if I knew how, but I'm afraid I am even worse with computers than with endgames.
Mar-06-10  sciencegirl: That's alright Tumshie, but thanks for the (sort of) offer! William (Billy) married my great grandmother (but I am descended from her first marriage) and my father knew him quite well. I think they had a good time for a few years but things didn't last and there was another woman later as well. My grandmother was Molly - did Winter mention anything about his personal life in his memoirs I wonder? I think they may have kept the relationship secret to keep the allowance coming in from Barrie.
Aug-09-11  Antiochus: 208 games of William Winter are here:

Nov-19-11  EBB: Tumshie I would very much like to have copies of those pdfs re Billy Winters. It is very easy to attach these to email. Can I contact you?
Dec-20-11  AlphaMale: If <V is for Vendetta>, W is for Winter.
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  GrahamClayton: Here is a Winter victory that I have just uploaded to the database:

[Event "1935 BCF-ch"]
[Site "Great Yarmouth"]
[Date "1935.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "William Winter"]
[Black "Stanley Clifford Davey"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. d4 f5 2. g3 ♘f6 3. ♗g2 e6 4. ♘h3 ♗e7 5. O-O O-O 6. c4 ♕e8 7. ♘c3 ♗d8 8. ♕b3 ♘c6 9. d5 ♘e5 10. dxe6 dxe6 11. ♗e3 a6 12. ♖ad1 ♘c6 13. ♘f4 ♔h8 14. ♗c5 ♖g8 15. e3 ♖b8 16. ♕c2 b6 17. ♗a3 ♗b7 18. ♖d2 ♘e5 19. b3 ♗xg2 20. ♔xg2 g5 21. ♘d3 ♕c6+ 22. e4 ♘eg4 23. ♗b2 ♘xe4 24. ♘b4 ♕b7 25. ♘xe4+ ♗f6 26. h3 ♘e5

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27. ♘d5 ♗g7 28. ♘xg5 exd5 29. ♕xf5 dxc4+ 30. f3 1-0

Source: CHESS, Vol 1, No 1, 14 September 1935

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  Diocletian: "Kings of Chess" was my first good chess book, and it remains one of my favorites. In the book Winter annotates games from the world championship matches, presenting them in chronological order with detailed historical introductions and biographies for each match. As a child chess beginner, I was fascinated by the well written accounts of the matches and descriptions of the great players. While most informative on the diverse personalities and exploits of the champions and their challengers, the book never offered a clue as to Winter's own proclivities or politics, neither of which I would criticize.
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  Nosnibor: <sciencegirl> With regard to your post on 10th March 2010 I can tell you that William did mention your great grandmother Molly in his memoirs.These are given in his memoirs in the "Chess" magazine vol.28 no.423(New Year 1963 edition).I quote some extracts here."I climbed what seemed miles of dark rickety staircase,knocked on a door,and saw Molly for the first time."(This would be in 1921)Under a subheading called Love he writes "Somehow Molly was different. I am no hand at portraying sentimental emotions and do not intend to try here.Suffice it to say that after our first meeting we wanted too see one another again,and after several such we decided to be together always.There was no objection on the part of Molly`s husband,(Dennis Garrett)who had a Kathleen of his own,and seemed rather grateful to me for taking his wife off his hands,while the fact that we could not get married did not matter two hoots.In those days we cosidered marriage to be a bourgeois anachronism, and indeed I have little use for it even now,except in so far it provides a living for the Junior Bar-I shudder to think of the fate of freshly called barristers if the supply of divorce cases dried up.Ways and means for Molly and me presented a problem.The Hampden club was for men only and I could not change my address without awkward questions from my people" He goes onto say that Sir James Barrie did eventually after two months find out about the liason and he was issued with an ultimatum to give up Molly or lose his allowance.He chose to stay with your great grandmother.He gave up his career in the legal professiom and became a public speaker and writer while Molly obtained casual work machining handbags.I hope that this is of interest to you.
Dec-12-12  ami: Wow, thank you Nosnibor, I really had no idea that he had written all this about himself and Molly. Molly's husband died later and then the couple did marry.
Feb-25-13  Conrad93: That profile image is just way too cool.
Jul-12-14  jerseybob: Cibator:The CHESS annual you're speaking of is Vol.28(Nov.'62-Sept.'63). I recently read Winter's memoirs and they're entertaining, but read with a grain of salt. On p.149, he tells a fable about Hans Kmoch - a much beloved figure in American chess - that makes Kmoch look like a racist troglodyte. The alleged incident stems from Kmoch's game vs. Sultan Khan at the 1930 Hamburg Olympiad. Kmoch's rebuttal letter appears on p.245 of Vol.28. The editor's conclusion: "We believe Mr. Kmoch!"
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  MissScarlett: <The CHESS annual you're speaking of is Vol.28(Nov.'62-Sept.'63). I recently read Winter's memoirs and they're entertaining, but read with a grain of salt. On p.149, he tells a fable about Hans Kmoch - a much beloved figure in American chess - that makes Kmoch look like a racist troglodyte.>

Come now - what did he allegedly say?

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Aug-29-14  Retireborn: <MissScarlett> Late reply, but the Khan-Kmoch incident is described on this page:

Not seen Kmoch's "rebuttal letter".

Sep-02-14  jerseybob: Alright, alright, you guys are hopeless! Here it is, spoon-fed...[from CHESS(letters section), May 25th,1963, P.245] "Not that it matters, nor that I would cast any blame on the late Winter whom I knew as a perfect gentleman. It is only for the sake of curiosity that I ask permission to comment on Winter's story concerning my game against Sultan Khan. I never asked Winter or anybody else what language Sultan Khan spoke. Nor did I shout(I never do). Sultan Khan and I had met before. What little conversation there was between us was done in English of which we both had a sufficient command for the purpose. Winter, being not asked,had no opportunity to reply "Chess" or anything else. I did not offer a draw three times, nor did Sultan Khan, who never smiled, meet my offers with a smile. Nor again did I resign a few moves later. And I was not the Austrian champion(contests have not been held at all in my active time). Sultlan Khan had white: we played a Giuoco Piano. After a small number of moves, probably 18 or so, a position was reached which I considered as fully satisfactory for black. I offered a draw so as to gain time for my work as a reporter. (I used to be very strict in never offering a draw to anybody unless my position,to the best of my understanding, was fully satisfactory). Sultan Khana accepted my offer outright. The game's ending in a draw is a provable fact. New York, 17 April 1963 HANS KMOCH"
(We believe Mr. Kmoch! - Editor)
Winter's accusation can be found in CHESS, Feb.23rd 1963, P.149.
Oct-16-14  zanzibar: At least the picture link <chancho> gives shows more that just the forehead (and nose) of our player:

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  MissScarlett: <sciencegirl: That's alright Tumshie, but thanks for the (sort of) offer! William (Billy) married my great grandmother (but I am descended from her first marriage) and my father knew him quite well. I think they had a good time for a few years but things didn't last and there was another woman later as well.>

Maybe this is the <Evelyn Ethel Olorenshaw, married woman> mentioned here:

Sep-11-15  The Kings Domain: That's one intense player there. :-)
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