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Aron Nimzowitsch vs William Winter
"Winter Wonderland" (game of the day Dec-14-2004)
London (1927), London ENG, rd 8, Oct-19
Nimzo-Larsen Attack: Modern Variation (A01)  ·  0-1


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Dec-14-04  CHEG: Any thoughts on 12 Bxe5 ? Opens e-file for a possible discovered check?
Dec-14-04  Shams: well put <DanielBryant>. I have blitz games that run 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 3.Nxe5 Qe7 (Ponziani?) and white is better, I know, but I never play very convincingly.
Dec-14-04  AgentRgent: <Shams: I have blitz games that run 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 3.Nxe5 Qe7 (Ponziani?)> That is the Damiano defense not the Ponziani (1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3)
Dec-14-04  caballos2: No, 1..e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 3.Nxe5 Qe7 is Damiano.
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  tpstar: <Shams> If you like the Damiano as Black, you might enjoy this previous group discussion = King's Knight Opening (C40) Start at the bottom of that page. ;>)
Dec-14-04  Shams: no no NO, I would never play such a garbage opening. I`m just agreeing with DanielBryant, it`s annoying to see ...f6.

I`m probably not the only one on this board who has lost with white to the Fred defense: 1...f6 and 2...Kf7

Dec-14-04  drukenknight: Shams: the fred defense is 1 e4 f5, most black players will not follow up w/ 2...Kf7 but rather 2...Nf6 seems mandatory. there is also discussion of this defense somewhere in the site.
Dec-14-04  Shams: well I`m getting my names very confused today. thanks druk
Dec-14-04  drukenknight: heres the original fred defense, 2..Kf7 is not recommended.

Pillsbury vs Magana, 1902

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  kevin86: It looks like Nimzo underestimated black's bishops in this one-not to mention the lone f pawn.Facing the loss of his rook-and nothing left to bring home the connecters-he strikes his colors.
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  kevin86: I noticed the snowman-a nice addendum to the Winter pun.
Dec-14-04  kostich in time: Nimzo had quite a tendency to fall victim to blacks bishop pair..see his losses to Vidmar at New York 1927 and to Pirc at Bled 1931. I may be wrong, but ithink Nimzo was playing a b3 system in those games as well
Dec-14-04  Andrew Chapman: <Any thoughts on 12 Bxe5 ? Opens e-file for a possible discovered check?>I think this would be met by 12..Nxc2+
Dec-14-04  aw1988: <Nizowitsch gets mauled by the bishop pair which he never thought much of.> Then again, he crushed his opponents with the knight pair they never thought much of. :)
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  patzer2: Winter's 35...Rb5! is a neat deflection. It threatens to win immediately with the capture of the White pawn on d5, and thus forces contorted moves by the Black Knight, leading to it becoming a trapped piece after 37...Ke7! (e.g. 38. Ng7 Rxd4 39. Ra1 Kf7 ).
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  Aron Landau: Can the community tell me why almost every scoresheet which I see when Nimzowitsch is playing, does not mention the date when the particular game was played? This game was played on 19th of October 1927.And this game was, according to Rubinstein, without any doubt, the suprice of this 8th round because the Englishman Winter won against a Grandmaster.
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  Aron Landau: Suddenly the scoresheet shows in stead of ??.??. 1927--,27.10.1927 (I use the in Europe usual "day"-"month"-˙ear"). I based the date on a booklet published by M.A. Lachaga, Argentine with the title: "Internationales Schachmeisterturnier London 1927 des British Empire Club".The date is in this booklet: 19-10-1927.
Sep-20-06  ismetov: move_30 Nimzo kill himself.
Nov-02-07  Cibator: Winter himself gave an interesting summary of his approach to this game (in his memoirs, serialised in the UK's "Chess" magazine during 1963). The aim of Nimzo's opening being to control e5, Winter decided to occupy it himself with a P and maintain that P there come what may (hence his second move, the derided .... f6). Apparently Nimzo looked decidedly uncomfortable at not being able to follow the regular stategy for the opening, and soon lost his way in the game as a result.
Sep-11-09  sfm: <<euripides:Nizowitsch gets mauled by the bishop pair which he never thought much of.> aw1988:Then again, he crushed his opponents with the knight pair they never thought much of. :) > Touché!
Sep-11-09  Starf1re: One of Winter's better games!
Nov-19-11  Gambit86: Black's king was so exposed throughout this game lol. Losing the black bishop for white wasn't a good decision, maybe more checks were needed by nimzo to stir up an attack, great game by Winter.
Sep-02-14  jerseybob: DanielBryant: Fischer played that same crude, squirrely f6 move against Petrosian's Nimzo opening, in a somewhat different setting yes, but the idea's the same: Blunt the force of the bishop.
Sep-11-15  The Kings Domain: :-) Couldn't help but chuckle at the pun.

Unorthodox opening leading to an unorthodox game. Usually such scenarios either lead to disasters or some of the most interesting games. Fortunately for this it's the latter.

Mar-26-17  Sally Simpson: Cibator mentions WInters notes to this game five posts up.

However he does not that mention that prior to the game Winter mentioned to Amos Burn that Nimzovitch is playing 1.b3 to control e5 from the flank.

Burn replied years previously he had the same trouble v Owen till one day he hit upon the idea of defending the key square "with everything he could pile on."

It may be this game that Burn is thinking of.

Burn vs Owen, 1898

Though Burn is White, Owen adopts his own defence and Burn over protects the e-pawn 'funnily enough' in the style of Nimzovitch.

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