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Dec-21-03
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| kevin86: The victim of the "Immortal Game" has a masterpiece of his own. |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| Dick Brain: Qxh3+ was the first move I looked at. I didn't see the 18..Bh4# though, mine continued with 18...g6+ and 19...Bf8#. |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| ZScore: I calculated 15...Qxh3 16. Kxh3 Ne3+ 17. Kh4 g5+ 18. Kh5 Bg4+ 19. Kh6 Bf8# |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| kaptajn4: Any more to suggest the 19. Bf8# variation? Personally i cleraly prefer the variation I calculated and which was the same as in the game. It's a move shorter. |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| Alchemist: Excellent puzzle. Those who stopped calculating after they saw the queen king-queen fork must have deprived themselves of this pretty combination. Most of us ( I know I ) saw the g6+ Bf8#, probably amatuer visualization is just a lot more comfortable with this line. But Bg4# is certainly beautiful. I think the prettiest mates are those with bishop and knight. |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| Shadout Mapes: I was quite proud of myself for seeing this whole problem in about 2 or 3 minutes. I couldn't see a better shot than Qxh3+, and so i calculated until Bg4# sprung into my mind. |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| ryduke: The first variation I saw is mate, but two moves longer. I think it is prettier. 15. ... Qxh3 16. Kxh3 Ne3+ 17. Kh4 g5+ 18. Kh5 Bg4+ 19. Kh6 Nf5+ 20. exf5 Nxf5# |
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Dec-21-03
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| patzer2: <Honza Cervenka> Thanks for providing the pretty mating variation starting with 13...fxg2+! I assume you meant 17...Qf4!! I seem to recall that the letter D is used in German notation to identify the Queen (e.g. Dame in German). Also, I was wondering if you saw an escape for White after the 13...Bd6 played in the game? It seems to me that 13...Bd6 to set up a shorter and simpler mating variation may be the most practical move, since the sharp waiting moves 16...Bc5!, 17. Qf4!! and 18...Qg5! are much more difficult to find over the board when contemplating Black's 13th move. |
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Dec-21-03
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| patzer2: For those interested, you can copy and paste the following web site into your browser to find the names of the chess pieces in 60 different languages: geocities.com/TimesSquare/Metro/9154/nap-pieces.htm#T I apologize for not providing it as a link, but links to longer web site names do not always work well on ChessGames.Com. |
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Dec-21-03
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| patzer2: Use the following link and scroll down until you find the table giving the notation in German, French, Italian, Greek and Polish: http://www.code.gr/chess-converter/...
I know when I lived in Germany for a time with my family in the early 1980s, and first visited a local Chess Club, I was surprised to see D used for Queen and S for Knight. |
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Dec-21-03
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| talchess2003: That is one LONG name. Of what nationality is he? |
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Dec-21-03
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| talchess2003: Nice variation Honza :P |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| ezumpf: I don't understand Black's 4.b5 and even more 12.d5. I don't see the point. Somebody please explain. |
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| Dec-21-03 |
| Chizoad: Ezumpf, 12.d5 is opening up the square for the black bishop which plays a key role in the combination. 4.b5 was a fashion of the times. Kasparov (as black) played Nigel Short in a thematic game with this variation, and I think the game is in the Chessgames.com database. Kasparov said he wanted to resign after playing 4.b5 because the move had no point. Check "My Great Predecessors" for his analysis. |
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Dec-21-03
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| patzer2: I suspect the complexity and double-edged nature of the 3. Bc4 line, allowing Black immediate counterplay with 3...Qh4+, is a major reason 3. Nf3 is the most frequently played move at the Master and Expert level in the King's Gambit Accepted. Of course 3. Nf3 also eliminates a lot of lines for White to remember while at the same time sustaining a longer initiative for White. |
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Dec-21-03
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| patzer2: <Chizoad> Short vs Kasparov, 1993 was won by Short who played 6. Nf3!, improving on the dubious 6. Nc3?! played in this game. Despite Kasparov's lament, 4...b5 has a point in deflecting the white bishop to a not very useful square/diagonal, where white will have to waste a tempo to put it back into play. The move also opens up a useful diagonal for the Black c8 bishop to move to a6 or b7, with the idea of a sort of Polish Opening or Orangutan in reverse (a slightly similar idea can also be found in the 5...b5 a variation of the two knights defense as in Estrin vs Berliner, 1965 and perhaps to a lesser degree in the Evans Gambit -- Yeah! I know the comparison is a stretch, but hopefully you get the idea that 4...b5 may not be a total waste or without precedent). However, I do agree the intent of Kasparov's comment is sound in that with best play by White, Black's compensation is probably not adequate to justify the pawn sacrifice. Yet, even so, Kasparov missed a chance to improve by not playing an obvious improvement at Black's 10th move, as pointed out by Honza Cervenka in the Kibitzing to that game at the above link. |
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Dec-22-03
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| patzer2: The sequence 3. Bc4 Qh4+ 4. Kf1 in the King's Gambit Accpeted is not without punch for White, as indicated by the Short vs Kasparov link above as well as the result in Corcoran vs Howland, 1952 The idea is that with the tempo gained chasing the Black Queen (e.g. 6. Nf3!), White can develop a strong attack against the Black King. However, BCO (Kasparov and Keene) indicate Black can equalize with the rarely played 4...c6 as in Zsofia Polgar vs S Solomon, 1986 |
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| Dec-22-03 |
| ezumpf: Thanks Chizoad and patzer2. Really helpful. |
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Jul-04-04
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| refutor: <Patzer2> of course 6.Nf3 was also played in the immortal game ;) |
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| Apr-15-06 |
| MorphyMatt: Kieseritsky is always inventing brilliancies or on the losing end of them lol |
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| Apr-15-06 |
| IMDONE4: lol... He was a great player, although we look down upon him for suffering from The Immortal Game |
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Oct-18-07
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| nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33. Schulten 4 mistakes:
12.Bc4 -3.10 (12.Bf4 1.17)
13.Bxd5 -12.13 (13.Nc7 -2.98)
14.Qe1 #6 (14.e5 0.00)
17.Kh4 #2 (17.Be6 #3)
Kieseritsky 2 mistakes:
10...f3 1.01 (10...d5 0.00)
13...Bd6 0.00 (13...fxg2+ -12.13) |
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Jan-04-08
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| DanLanglois: How did Rybka analyze 14 e5(!) to an even game? White is stone cold won. 14...Bxe5 15 Bxf3. |
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| Dec-23-08 |
| WhiteRook48: Anderssen, I remember played g6+ Kh6 Bf8#. But why delay? You have a mate in one. Beautiful queen sac. |
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May-15-09
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| heuristic: <Rybka analyse 14.e5 to an even game? White is stone cold won> 14...Re8 15.Bxf3 Nxe5 16.Be4 Bxh3+ looks playable. |
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