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John William Schulten vs Lionel Adalbert Bagration Felix Kieseritzky
"Schulten Have Done That" (game of the day Mar-24-2017)
Casual Game (1850), Paris FRA, May-06
King's Gambit: Accepted. Bishop's Gambit Bryan Countergambit (C33)  ·  0-1
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Nov-21-10  sevenseaman: 15. Qxh3! Did Kieseritsky announce a mate in four? Even Schulten would have seen the impending demise.
Jul-15-11  nolanryan: I think a good pun would be "a bishop killed schulten."
Jul-15-11  nolanryan: maybe a tuesday level pun
Dec-17-11
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  Penguincw: Very unique mating pattern.
Mar-02-12  squaresquat: I've read that Bobby Fischer thought 3.Bc4 was promising for white. I've been playing it with good results. The Queen check is just a temptation.When Black sees Bishop coming out with a juicy mate threat, it looks like the attack really has substance.But it is 'light horse charge, just brushed off;white is left with a very good center as a result of the tempos lost by Black Queen.
Mar-02-12
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  Fusilli: <sevenseaman: 15. Qxh3! Did Kieseritsky announce a mate in four?> I've seen this expression before. Did people really "announce" mate in N in the nineteenth century (and maybe before)?
Mar-02-12  AlanPardew: For sure, but, beware, if your announced mate failed to materialise, you could be publicly thrashed to within an inch of your life.
Mar-02-12
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  Fusilli: <Alan> Conversely, what if you had and gave forced mate in N moves but failed to announce it? Would you then be considered a chicken? :-)
Apr-26-12  Llawdogg: Another flashy win by Anderssen.
Jun-17-12  e4 resigns: "Schulten 3 mistakes:
12.Bc4 -3.66 (12.Qe1 0.12)
13.Bxd5 -13.38 (13.Qe1 -3.41)
14.Qe1 #7 (14.e5 0.00)

Anderssen 3 mistakes:
8...Nd4 0.30 (8...Bd6 -0.13)
10...f3 0.94 (10...d5 0.30)
13...Bd6 0.00 (13...fxg2+ -13.38)"

Odd how 13...Bd6 is the move played by both strong players.

Aug-08-13  morphyesque: Just noticed "talchess2003" post dated 21/12/03.Yes his name is a mouthful and he achieved negative immortality by losing the most well known game in chess history.To answer your question Kieseritsky originally came from Livonia before settling in Paris.Where was Livonia?Livonia is a historic region along the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea. It was once the land of the Finnic Livonians inhabiting the principal ancient Livonian County Metsepole with its center at Turaida
Sep-20-13
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  Calli: Original publication http://books.google.com/books?id=Ay...

Corrected year.

Sep-20-13
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  Calli: A few pages before Kieseritsky writes (pardon my French trans. but it's something like this):

"Mr. Schulten just left for Germany. During his last visit to Paris, he played a lot of games with Mr. Kieseritzky , he won 34 and lost 107. Only ten games were drawn. This large difference explained less by the respective strength of the two antagonists than by choice of the openings. With the exception of five games, he always chose the Schulten gambit of the bishop and his opponent the knight. Most of these games have been played with too much haste, but they were almost all very spicy"

151 games! Makes the Schulten-Morphy 24 game set look short. I think Event = Casual is correct.

Nov-01-13  Isilimela: I'm a bit confused as to why Anderssen's name crops up in the context of this encounter? Did he play in a game similar to this one ? If so could someone please provide a reference.
Nov-01-13
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  Calli: <Isilimela> There was an erroneous duplicate game involving Anderssen. It's been deleted.
Aug-01-16  Sergio0106: Wasn't this game 1844? That's what I have here in the World's Greatest Chess Games by Burgess, Nunn, and Emms
Mar-24-17
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Same opponents, same opening, same result. J Schulten vs Kieseritzky, 1853
Mar-24-17
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  Richard Taylor: The black team had a quicker win but I knew there was going to be a Q sac. In fact I am sure I saw this when or a year or so after I started playing chess circa 1962 or so.

There are 2 other mates near the end but their's is the fastest and possibly most aesthetic if W sacs his B.

Mar-24-17  Ironmanth: A delight!
Mar-24-17  JohnBoy: I probably would have played 18...g6+ and 18...Bf8#. Somehow I did that more amusing.
Mar-24-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Igor Egin: A fantastic checmate! But game was too 'vulgar' (I MEAN THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY STRAIGHT ATTACKING MOVES).> I got the opposite impression. Instead of taking the bishop or trying to trap the knight after 9. Nc7, black continued enigmatically pushing pawns (10 ...f3, 11...f6 3, 12...d5) followed by the quiet development move 13....Bd6 before lowering the proverbial kaboom.
Mar-24-17  morfishine: Another dumb game title that will confuse global players, which goes against the routine diversity agenda

Nice job <CG>

Another job, not so well done

*****

Mar-25-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <morfishine: Another dumb game title that will confuse global players, which goes against the routine diversity agenda>

Yes, henceforth all puns shall be in Esperanto! Instead of dumbing everything down to the level that even people with lousy English can understand, the non-natives should improve their English. After all human language can be valuable on the rare occasions when a chessboard isn't at hand.

Jun-29-17  ColeTrane: I hate Esperanto.... They took one of my accepted puns and with just a twist of a few letters applied it to to this guys name. Original: Shanava Done That....
Oct-16-17
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  Bubo bubo: Mr Schulten might have done better by shooing away the black queen with 6.Nf3.
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