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| May-27-11 | | AVRO38: <The greatest King's Gambit player of the modern era is clearly David Bronstein.> Apparently you missed this game:
Spassky vs Bronstein, 1960
Has Bronstein ever beaten players of the caliber of Fischer and Karpov with the King's Gambit like Spassky did? |
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| Jun-03-11 | | Mysteriod: Well, I have something to say:
There is no doubt that Spassky,Bronstein,Morphy, and Andersson were the best King's Gambit players. And I love them for their crazy romantic style. |
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Jun-03-11
 | | TheFocus: Don't forget Spielmann as one of the best King's Gambit players. |
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| Jun-14-11 | | wals: Rybka 4 x 64
Working backwards.
29.Rf4, +3.98, and Black resigns.
28...Qh4, +3.98. Best, Qg6, +3.05.
Shortfall, 0.93.
26...Rf8, +2.91. Best, b6, -0.26.
Shortfall, 3.17.
25...Qg5, -0.26. Best, Qd7, -0.77.
Shortfall, 0.51.
2.f4, -0.39. Best, Nc3, =0.15.
Shortfall, 0.54.
6.d4, -0.78. Best, Bc4, =-0.22.
Shortfall, 0.56.
TOTAL SHORTFALL.
Black 4.61
White 1.10
Net Black 3.51. Rybka rating move 28...+3.98. |
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| Jun-15-11 | | wals: CORRECTION
d4, f4, are integral moves of the Kings Gambit and should not have been included. Amended Shortfall : Black 4.61.
Rybka move 28...rating 3.98. |
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| Jun-28-11 | | DrMAL: <tpstar: "A Bust to the King's Gambit" by Bobby Fischer, after 3 ... P-Q3!:>
Cracks me up, actually black is still ahead all the way up to blunder 26...Rf8 perhaps Fischer should have looked at that! Still a favorite game because of its tremendous accuracy on both sides...and Spassky's beautiful finish! |
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| Jun-28-11 | | fab4: < Everett: ... and yes, Fischer was great, but in '60 he was still only 17 and barely in the top 10 at that point.> Nonsense. Fischer was comfortably ensconced in the top ten in the world by 1960. And he was fast pushing at the top one.. |
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| Jul-02-11 | | DrMAL: <fab4:> Agreed. Personally, I believe Fischer was already the world's best player in 1960 but he was very young, quite inexperienced and, above all he was essentially ALONE. Had players like Tal (easily second best in my mind during 1960) and others such as Spassky and Botvinnik mentored or collaborated with Fischer, he would have been crowned world champion much sooner...and very possibly stayed playing! It was a completely different era back then, one cannot compare others who were chosen and mentored from early age, including Spassky, Karpov and Kasparov, as part of the Soviet chess machine. I still believe to this day Fischer's innate genius is unmatched and that the chess world greatly suffered because he was not given the chance at special treatment and mentoring he deserved. |
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| Jul-02-11 | | fab4: <DrMAL>
Well Fischer had no political help or world class GM help re adjournments or 'seconds'..or indeed cultural help.. He was a loner. |
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Jul-02-11
 | | Shams: <Personally, I believe Fischer was already the world's best player in 1960> What nonsense. Why not call him the best player in 1943 when he was born? |
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| Jul-02-11 | | fab4: <Shams: <Personally, I believe Fischer was already the world's best player in 1960>
What nonsense. Why not call him the best player in 1943 when he was born?> It's not nonsense. What you write is nonsense. Yeah ? Fischer was easily in the top ten in in world in 1960.. that was the original argument. |
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Jul-02-11
 | | plang: There is no evidence from his results, tournaments, actual play etc. to support Fischer as the stongest player in 1960 (top 10 yes). |
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| Jul-02-11 | | shach matov: <plang>
you're trying to reason with fischer fanboys by using evidence and logic? good luck with that... |
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| Jul-02-11 | | fab4: Nobody is saying Fischer was the 'strongest' player .. jeez.. this is getting boring ! In 1960 tho, Fischer was absolutely in the top ten chess players in the world. |
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| Jul-02-11 | | DrMAL: <shach matov: <plang>
you're trying to reason with fischer fanboys by using evidence and logic? good luck with that...> I'm not a fanboy LOL. I wrote "Personally, I believe..." I am aware of all the evidence. Perhaps most compelling is that Fischer never beat Tal prior to 1960 (they tied in 1960) then Tal never beat Fischer from 1961 onwards. It is difficult to say exactly when Fischer became #1 by proof because of Tal's health, he even lost his WC back to Botvinnik. |
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Jul-02-11
 | | keypusher: <fab4: Nobody is saying Fischer was the 'strongest' player .. jeez.. this is getting boring !> Glad you bore yourself as well as others. Anyway, DrMAL said just that. It actually isn't clear that Fischer was top ten in 1960 -- consider his wretched performance at Buenos Aires 1960. But he was certainly top ten by 1961, so who cares. |
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| Jul-02-11 | | Petrosianic: <then Tal never beat Fischer from 1961 onwards.> One possible reason for that is that they never played again after 1962. |
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| Jul-02-11 | | DrMAL: <keypusher:> Well, my tongue was somewhat lodged in my cheek LOL. Seriously, I do think Fischer may have won the the earlier WC had he not withdrawn from the Interzonal. It seems he was probably the best by that time. In any event his record in 1960 at age 17 to put him in top ten is unclear, but I would have to agree he was, we are all entitled to our opinions, cheers. <Petrosianic:> They played two blitz games 1970. |
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| Jul-05-11 | | DrMAL: <keypusher: consider his wretched performance at Buenos Aires 1960.> BTW, not sure if you know but during that tournament, Fischer was quite obsessed by a girl. Remember he was 17...young dumb and full of...errm, nature LOL. |
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Jul-05-11
 | | FSR: Yes, that is discussed in Silman et al.'s biography of Benko. Supposedly Larry Evans hired a young woman to be Bobby's girlfriend for the tournament. Bobby spent less time thinking about chess than about its anagram - sechs (usually spelled with only three letters). |
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| Mar-08-12 | | ashtangiman: It will be obvious I think to most players here that I am not a studied player, but I do enjoy the game. Disclaimer aside I do not understand why fischer resigns here . . . seems like white has positional and material advantages, but is in a dangerous spot. I am not seeing a forced mate by white . . . what am I missing? |
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Mar-08-12
 | | Sastre: <ashtangiman> 29...Qg3 30.Rxe7 wins a piece. |
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| Apr-03-12 | | ajile: Using tons of computer power this guy claims to have busted the King's Gambit for sure. See article here: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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Aug-29-12
| | TheFocus: This is game 18 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>. |
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Nov-21-12
 | | Infohunter: <ajile> Did you miss this little followup? http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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