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 | | tpstar: <Runemaster> Sorry, I got my traps mixed up: 1) 9. Ng5 Qxf6?? 10. Nxe6 fxe6 11. Qh5+ & 12. Qxc5 2) 10. Nc3 Qf5 11. g4 Qxf6? 12. Nd5 Qd8 13. Rxe6+! fxe6 14. Nxe6 For 11. g4 look here = Steinitz vs Meitner, 1860 |
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| Jul-14-05 | | capanegra: Good day folks, long time I don't see you! I believe that 11...♗b6 is not the best move for Black. Marshall wasted the opportunity to reinforce his attack with 16.♕f3! as it happened in Chigorin vs Teichmann, 1899. The best move for Black in this position is 11...0-0-0 getting the King off the center as soon as possible. However, years later Marshall found the best reply for White which, in my opinion, implies the refutation of the Max Lange attack: Marshall vs Tarrasch, 1910 |
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| Jul-14-05 | | bridgepro: What about 14. NxRP?. I'm sure I'm missing something:-) |
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| Jul-14-05 | | homersheineken: What is the point of PaulLovric posting "First". Am I missing something? Do you get a prize for being the first to respond? If not, what's the point? |
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| Jul-14-05 | | farrooj: no point, he's just obnoxious (no offense intended, eh?) |
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| Jul-14-05 | | capanegra: <bridgepro> If 14.♘xh7 0-0-0, and Black's attack over White's castle will be irresistible. |
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| Jul-14-05 | | patzer2: Here's an analysis with the Opening Explorer and Fritz 8: <1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5> Slightly more popular here (at least historically), and my own personal
preference, is 3...Nf6, inviting the two Knights defense. <4. d4!?>
This is a rare but interesting and playable try. <4...exd4 5. O-O Nf6 6. e5 d5 7. exf6 dxc4 8. Re1+ Be6 9. Ng5 Qd5 10. Nc3 Qf5 11. Nce4 Bb6> Here Fritz 8 prefers 11...0-0-0 = as in
M Dougherty vs T Krnan, 2004. <12. fxg7 Rg8 13. g4 Qg6 14. Nxe6 fxe6 15. Bg5 Rxg7 16. Nf6+> The alternative 16. Qf3 was used successfully in Chigorin vs Teichmann, 1899. However, after 16. Qf3 e5 17. Nf6+ Ke7 18. Bh4 Rf7 19. Nxh7+ Kd7  , Firtz 8 indicates Black holds a small advantage. <16... Kf7!> This move guarantees black at least a small advantage, and wins against all but one White reply. <17. Bh4?> This loses, as did 17. Qf3 in Dus Chotimirsky vs Schiffers, 1903. According to Fritz 8, White's only move to hold is 17. h4! h6 18. Ne4 hxg5 19. Nxg5+ Ke7 20. Rxe6+ Qxe6 21. Nxe6 Kxe6 22. Qf3 Re7 23. Re1+ Kd6 24. Qf6+ Kd7 25. Qf5+ Kd6 26. Kf1 Rxe1+ 27. Kxe1 Re8+ 28. Kf1 Re5 29. Qf8+ , with a difficult position slightly favoring White. <17... Qh6!> White is busted as Black prepares to remove the guard (Bishop
at h4) for a winning material and positional advantage. <18. Qe2 e5>
Difficult to see OTB, but perhaps stronger, is the alternative Black win 18...Qxh4! 19. Qxe6+ Kf8 20. Nd7+ Rxd7 21. Qxd7 Rd8 22. Qf5+ Kg7 23. Rf1 Rf8 24. Qe4 Bc5 25. f3 d3+ 26. Kh1 Bd6 27. f4 Qh6 28. cxd3 Rxf4 29. Rxf4 Bxf4 30. Qg2 cxd3 31. Rd1 d2 32. h3 Ne5 33. b4 Nd3 34. Rxd2 Bxd2 35. b5 Qe3  . <19. Qxc4+ Kf8 20. Qe6 Qxh4 21. Nd7+ Rxd7 22. Qxd7 d3!> Also winning for Black is 22... Rd8! 23. Qf5+ Kg7 <23. Kh1> Not 23. cxd3 Qxf2+ 24. Kh1 Qf3#; Nor 23. Qxd3 Bxf2+ 24. Kf1 Bxe1 25. Rxe1 Qxh2 . <23... Rd8 24. Qf5+ Kg7 25.
Rad1 Rf8 26. Qxd3 Rxf2 27. h3 Nd4! 28. Rf1 e4! 29. Qe3 Rxf1+!> This part of the combination involves an instructive discovered attack tactic. <30. Rxf1 Ne2! 0-1>
Marshall, with the White pieces in shambles, resigned in the face of 31. Qxe2 (31. Qb3 Ng3+ 32. Kg2 Nxf1 ; 31. Qd2 Qxh3#) 31... Qxh3+ 32. Qh2 Qxf1+ 33. Qg1 Qxg1#. |
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| Jul-14-05 | | northernsoul: terrible terrible pun - well done |
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| Jul-14-05 | | PaulLovric: my my we do get offended, its easy, put me on "ignore", sheesh. the point is that i am here so regularly, i have nothing else to offer either |
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| Jul-14-05 | | EmperorAtahualpa: oops....of course |
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| Jul-14-05 | | Anastasia: Tell me, what is the point of putting <Tell me, what is the point of putting 'first'(which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic.> (which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic. |
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| Jul-14-05 | | Anastasia: <Tell me, what is the point of putting <Tell me, what is the point of putting <Tell me, what is the point of putting 'first'(which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic.> (which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic.> (which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic. |
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| Jul-14-05 | | Anastasia: Tell me, what is the point of putting <Tell me, what is the point of putting <Tell me, what is the point of putting <Tell me, what is the point of putting 'first'(which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic.> (which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic.> (which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic.> (which is very childish) and then not offering your analysis or comments on this game. Pathetic |
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| Jul-14-05 | | who: Cute! |
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| Jul-14-05 | | patzer2: <PaulLovric> I see you're a teacher from Tasmania Australia. Do you see very many Tasmanian Devils there. I understand they were almost extinct, but according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasman... some still exist there. Hopefully, I've done enough analysis for both of us on this game, to warrant a little off topic discussion. |
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Jul-14-05
 | | offramp: "We slept in an orchard,
On a tapestry rug,
And drank fine mead from an old Saxon jug,
We gazed in wonder,
As Frampton came alive,
in the summer of ‘75."
- Vic Reeves |
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Jul-14-05
 | | samvega: "We slept in an orchard on a tapestry rug/ And drank fine mead from an old Saxon jug/ We gazed in wonder as Frampton came alive/ in the summer of ‘75." I like the balance of iambs & anapests, reminiscent of the limerick meter. There is perhaps an allusion to Omar Kayaam's "A loaf of bread, a jug of wine, and thou beside me singing in the wilderness...". Good stuff. |
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| Jul-14-05 | | PaulLovric: <patzer2> i do appreciate your analysis on this game, as on all games, and your collection is one of the best here. thankyou, because as i said i have little to offer........except of couse , dare i say it aloud, "first".
the tasmanian devil is not yet extinct but is suffering from an aggresive facial tumour, which is making people somewhat nervous because most areas around the state have it present in their population. there is no know reason why it has all of a sudden appeared but as you know the tasmanian tiger was wiped of the face of the earth by farmers and the like around 1936. tasmania has some unique wildlife, because of its isolation from the mainland of australia after the last ice age around 8,000 years ago. the dingo out competed the tasmanian tiger and the tasmanian devil on the mainland of australia, but it never reached the landbridge that existed where Bass Strait is now. desperate attemps are in place at the moment to create a control group of devils by putting them on an even smaller island off the east coast of tasmania. i did like ...Ne2 |
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| Jul-14-05 | | Anastasia: <PaulLoverboy> i bet u r a tasmanian devil in bed |
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| Jul-14-05 | | PaulLovric: as i said <anastasia>, i have little to offer. LMFAO |
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Jul-15-05
| | tpstar: <samvega> Frank James played Samuel Warren/And soon the combinations were pourin'/Marshall's Max Lange Attack/Was soundly beaten back/During this win that we're all adorin' OK, now you do one with "Bampton" |
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Jul-15-05
| | samvega: When Marshall played Bampton
He sure got stamped on. |
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| Jul-16-05 | | patzer2: <PaulLovric> Thanks for the interesting information about the Tasmanian Devil and Tasmania. Sounds like a great place to live and work. As a teacher, you're making a terrific contribution there, I'm sure. I have great respect for teachers, and as far as I'm concerned, you can be "first" any time you like. |
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Jul-16-05
| | offramp: Voila:
Samuel Bampton
Had a quite peculiar hampton.
He was also partial
To giving sudden massive attacks against Marshall. |
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| Apr-28-09 | | sneaky pete: Position after 16... Kf7, when the "only move" 17.h4 .. is ?d by Estrin, referring to "17.h4? d3 18.Nh5 Nd4! 19.c3 Ne2+ 20.Rxe2 dxe2 21.Qxe2 Qd3! when white was in difficulties, Estrin vs Kopayev, semi-final 14th USSR Championship, Kiev 1945" (Estrin recommends 17.Qf3 .. overlooking 17... Qxg5 18.Ne4+/Nxh7+ Qf5)
click for larger view17.f4 d3+ 18.Kh1 Bd4 19.Ne4 dxc2 20.Qxc2 b5 21.h4 h6 22.h5 Qh7 23.Qg2 Rag8 24.Nf6 Bxf6 25.Qxc6 Rxg5 26.fxg5 Rxg5 27.Qxe6+ Kg7 28.Rad1 Qg8
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and white announced # in 5, Stefan Trcala vs C.T. Blanchard, played in the Anglo-Bohemian correspondence match, 1906. |
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