Dec-13-02
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| Sneaky: An amazing sacrificial line. |
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Dec-13-02
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| AgentRgent: WOW! |
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Dec-13-02
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| refutor: well it looks impressive, but it's all theory up to 14. ... O-O. the "mainline" given in NCO is 14. ... Bxc3+ 15.bxc3 Qe4 +- |
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Dec-13-02
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| refutor: i was doing a little searching on the web, and apparently Ivan Sokolov vs Topalov, 1996 is the current theoretical "word" on this line |
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Dec-13-02
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| Sneaky: I've played against this line with the White pieces at a tournament and ended up with a draw. The post-mortem showed that I had an incredible queensac followed by a forced queening of a pawn, but over the board I didn't have the guts. |
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Dec-13-02
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| AgentRgent: Refutor, I know, 14...0-0 and the continuation was what got my Wow.. I never considered 0-0. I've played this line once as black.. though mine continued 14...Qg2 15. Bxd7+ Bxd7 16. exd7+ Kxd7 17. Qg3 (I still think this is an error..) Bxc3+ 18. bxc3 Qxf3 19. Nxf3 Rhe8 20. Kd2 c4 21. Bf4 f5 22. Rh1 h5 23. Rb1 b6 24. Rb5 Re4 25. Ne5+ Ke7 26. Nxg6+ Kf6 27. Nh4 and I went on to blunder away the endgame. |
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| Dec-13-02 |
| drukenknight: why 13 gxh3 anyhow? my standard response would be Nf3, but here I'm tempted to start: 13 exf7+ also white appears to be outplayed in the end game, 29 Rd1 I would think gains a better positional aspect. As it played out, his N was too far away and he got blasted on the open files. |
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Dec-16-02
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| AgentRgent: DK, 13. Nf3 Bxc3+ 14. bxc3 Qe4+ then either 15. Be2 Nxh1 or 15. Qe2 Qxe2+ 16. Bxe2 Nxh1 And Black is winning |
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| Dec-17-02 |
| drukenknight: what about: 13 exd7+ Bxd7 14 Bxd7+ Kxd7 15 Qa4+? |
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Dec-18-02
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| AgentRgent: DK, After 15. Qa4+ Qxa4 16. Nxa4 Rhe8+ 17. Kd2 Nxh1 I think Black will have little trouble winning. |
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| Dec-18-02 |
| judokausa1: Accourding to "The Complete Benoni" by Psakhis the moves are "book" up until 20. Qc4. The best move here accourding to him is Qc2 with a strong d5 pawn as whites plus. ALthough this game does seem to warrent a deeper examination of that assessment. My feeling is that 20. Qc4 looks ok but 21 a4 looks a bit too loosing to be healthy. As for the Sokolov-Topalov game 14... Bc3 is a known bad line for black. I can not see how giving up the black bishop so lightly can be in anyway good. |
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| Mar-07-07 |
| beginner64: Is 23. Nge2 not better for white? |
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Mar-07-07
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| Sneaky: <beginner64: Is 23. Nge2 not better for white?> I don't have a computer handy for double-checking but I think 23.Nge2 is met with 23...Bxc3 24.Nxc3 Rxc3! By the way look at the first post date on this thread. I praised this game almost FIVE YEARS AGO !! So let it be known that cg.com listens to our recommendations... they are just a little bit slow sometimes ;-) I'll see if I can find my old tournament game with this line. We repeated the first umpteen moves of this game, and then there was the missed brilliancy, it's very interesting stuff. |
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| Mar-07-07 |
| solstys: What happens after 32. Qd4? |
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| Mar-07-07 |
| somitra: While playing this game, I find white's 21st move to be very strange (Not using the word 'bad' which was my first impression, as these are masters and I am a kibitzer without any engine help). IMHO 21. Nge2 Qh6 22. Kb1 looks much better for white than what happens in the actual game. Any comments on this continuation ? |
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| Mar-07-07 |
| gandu: <Sneaky> according to Fritz, 23.Nge2 Bxc3 is met by white with 24. g4. Fritz gives white an advantage of +2.7 at this stage! |
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| Mar-07-07 |
| Uri: <somitra> haven't calculated precisely, but e.g. 21. Nge2 Qh6 22.Kb1 b5 23.Qb3 Qh5 and white is in a difficult position. |
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Mar-07-07
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| Sneaky: <gandu: <Sneaky> according to Fritz, 23.Nge2 Bxc3 is met by white with 24. g4!> Doh!! I did not see THAT one at all. Fritz is God in tactical positions like these, ain't he? But I wouldn't be surprised if Littlewood missed this g4! nuance as well (no offense to Mr. Littlewood!) -- and if that's the case it would thereby explain his play of 23.Rf1; he wanted to get it out of the queen's line of sight and create threats with it as well. |
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| Mar-07-07 |
| Silverstrike: Does 18.Bxd4 not simplify advantageously for white? |
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Mar-07-07
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| kevin86: This one ended on a happy note for black;white set a late twopenny trap that black avoided by his final move. How easy was it to take the rook in reflex. An astounding king chase both forth and back. |
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Mar-07-07
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| fm avari viraf: A real battle in the woods but ultimately it was David the Robinhood who pinned Her Majesty! |
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| Mar-07-07 |
| Themofro: thoroughly fascinating game. |
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Mar-07-07
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| DakotaFlint: Perhaps 20.Qd2 may be better for white. A very interesting game. |
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| Feb-27-08 |
| D.Observer: Clash of the woods? Littlewood was too little for matches like this? |
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| Sep-18-08 |
| ruelas007: lol!
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sac: 14...O-O