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| Jun-01-11 | | parisattack: Fischer apparently believed the Two Knights against the C-K was the way and the light early on but finally decided to move on as the bottom line never looked too good. There is a sideline C-K with 3. Qf3 leaving the KN for later development. I always thought it had some potential and there is a small book on it with some fascinating lines. |
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| Mar-12-12 | | Paraconti: Fischer just liked to play this line back then because it brought him into a sort of reversed KID plus a tempo as white. |
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| Mar-12-12 | | King Death: <parisattack: Fischer apparently believed the Two Knights against the C-K was the way and the light early on but finally decided to move on as the bottom line never looked too good...> His stubbornness was so well known that even Keres played the Caro Kann against him when normally he'd have played 1...e5. <There is a sideline C-K with 3. Qf3 leaving the KN for later development. I always thought it had some potential and there is a small book on it with some fascinating lines.> Who published a book on 3.Qf3? If I remember right 3...de 4.Ne4 Nd7 5. d4 Ndf6 does well against this. |
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| Mar-12-12 | | ephesians: I think Fischer hadn't had time to really come up with his best weapon yet against the Caro-Kann, but had spent a lot of time studying King's Indian games. He figured he could transpose the game into that type of a game. Only the very best in the world could show him that it wasn't quite correct. |
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| Aug-29-12 | | TheFocus: This is game 16 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>. |
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| Oct-29-12 | | Conrad93: I don't see what's remarkable about it. The second queen was useless being stuck behind her own pawns. |
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| Apr-05-13 | | VivaCristoRey: True, Fischer traps in his KB, but it is more than just a pawn - in addition to supporting the weak d3 pawn that keeps his position together, it guards the king, particularly when 31. ... a1=Q would otherwise be a tempo-gaining check and win for black. |
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Jul-11-13
 | | Joshka: <WhiteRook48> <48.Qf2?? White could have won the black queen with 48.dxe4> I don't think so, 48...Nxe4+ 49. Kh4 Nxd2 50. g5 Nxf1! 51. g6 Ne3! 52. Kg5 d3 wins. Fischer in his notes from 2007. |
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Aug-04-13
 | | plang: The idea behind the Two Knights line is to discourage the development of the Black queen bishop to f5; Fischer gives 3..dxe 4 Nxe4..Bf5 5 Ng3..Bg6 6 h4..h6 7 Ne5..Bh7 8 Qh5..g6 9 Bc4..e6 10 Qe2 with a huge advantage for White. Fischer used this system a lot early in his career with little success though, overall, the system has scored pretty well for White. The variation is completely out of fashion today; it isn't even mentioned in any of the Caro Kann books that I own. Fischer was partial to 7 g3 though he had little success with it; 7 Bd2, 7 a3 and 7 Be2 are all more popular and have scored better as well. This game was played in round 16; in round 2 Petrosian had played 13..g5 against Fischer and had gone on to win. Petrosian had several opportunities to contest the f-file with ..Rdf8 but instead played for complications with 24..Qxb4 which led to White getting a dangerous initiative. 28 Qf6 would have been a stronger move; ie. 28 Qf6..Qc5 29 Qg7..Ra8 30 Rb7+..Ka6 31 Qc7..Rhc8 32 Rb5! and wins. |
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| Dec-30-13 | | Howard: So 39.g5 would have WON ? |
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Sep-17-14
 | | kingscrusher: Bobby Fischer's amazing Four Queens Game against "Iron Tiger" Tigran Petrosian! My detailed video annotation of this game is quite popular on Youtube (over 122k views so far as of Sept 2014 ): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJw...
Hope some of you might like this
Cheers, K |
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| Nov-22-14 | | yurikvelo: http://pastebin.com/jBYsBusq
this game analysis |
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| Nov-22-14 | | utssb: <eloha> your annotations are insane |
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Nov-23-14
| | Joshka: <Howard> <So 39.g5 would have WON ?> According to Bobby, it's a forced win for white. " The greedy, "purely capitalistic" 39. g5!! is a forced win. Continue 39...Kb4 40. Qf8 Qae7 41. Qff6 Nd1 and a key move here is 42. Bh3! stopping what would otherwise become an eventual check on the h-file. Black must play 42...Ka4 (unpinning) 43. Kh2! Qdxf6 44. Qxf6
...Qh7 45. Qxe5 Qh5 46. Qxd4 wins in all variations. The older 39. Qh2 from 'My 60 Memorable Games' is too passive and focuses on preventing the Black King's march further into my own camp. The answer must be 39...Qa1! 40. g5 Qc1! and now pushing again loses to an incredible staircase mating procedure without a single queen being captured (41. g6?? Qf6! 42. Qf2 Ne2+!! 43. Qxe2 Qfg5+ 44. Kh1 44. ♕g2 walks into the mating sequence from 46...♕ce3+ on in the main line 44...Qh4+ 45. Kg1 Qg3+ Qg2 Qce3+ 47. Kh1 Qh6+ 48. Qh3 Qf3+! 49. Kh2 Qhf4+ 50. Kg1 Q4e3+ 51. Kh2 Qff2+ 52. Kh1 Qg1 mate)
so now White's game is considerably more difficult. From this point I can only see 41. Qg7!
Kb4 and now 42. g6 allows 42...Qe3+ (42. Qf2 offers White no advantage after 42...Qd8! hitting the g-Pawn twice 43. Qg2 Nd1 stopping the return of Qf2 and Black will be able to check via ...Qe3 anyway) 43. Kh1 Qf3+ 44. Qg2 Qdf6! 45. Qb7+ Ka3 (Petrosian's King on a3 would bring back a recent bad memory) and 46. Qa7+ Na4 47. Qe7+! Kb3 48. Qxf6 Qxf6 draws." Bobby from his notes in 2007. |
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Jan-07-15
 | | Troller: It is important when analyzing this amazing game to keep in mind the adjournment. I think it was White's 42nd that was the sealed move, meaning the subsequent moves have been under scrutiny from both sides. The story goes that Larsen (Fischer's second) had missed 47..Qe4 in his analysis. Fischer, following Larsen's line, was taken aback by the queen sacrifice and the game was quickly drawn, leading to some tension between the young American and the Dane. In his later notes Fischer does not touch upon this conflict, but comments that his 47th was a "gross oversight but probably the best move anyway", only his 48th move was an error. |
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| Jan-26-16 | | yurikvelo: <So 39.g5 would have WON ?>
39.g5, Qgg7, Qhg7 - any of these moves would have WON. Even Qf8 is win, but very hard and accurate exchange and then white Q maneuvering to catch black Q and protect g pawn. While black K+N trying to stop G-pawn, e-pawn passes 39.Qf8 Qae7 40.Qf5! Qde6
41. Qxe6 Qxe6 42. Qf8+ Kb6 43. Qg7 Nd1 44. Be2 Nc3
45. Bf3 Na2 46. Qf8 Kc7 47. Qa3 Qf6 48. Kg2 Nc3
49. Qa7+ Kd8 50. Qb7 Ke8 51. Qh7! Na4
52. Qg8+ Ke7 53. g5 Qf4 54. Qh7+ Kf8 55. Qf5+ Kg7
56. Qxf4 exf4 57. e5 Nc5 58. Bh5 and mate in 28 moves <Continue 39...Kb4 40. Qf8>
40. Qh2! is more sharp than 40. Qf8
<and a key move here is 42. Bh3! stopping .. eventual check>
42. Qb8+! is even more sharp attack than 42. Bh3
42. Qxd6+! works as well |
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| Apr-29-16 | | Howard: Hard to believe that there was more than one forced win at move 39, and that Fischer missed them all. |
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Jun-22-17
 | | GM Igor Smirnov: Cannot believe Fischer was just 16-years old when he played this game! Don't forget to watch the complete video (instructive) analysis - http://chess-teacher.com/affiliates... |
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Oct-07-22
 | | perfidious: What is old, is new: chapter 697.
When <plang> posted of how the Two Knights had fallen into desuetude vs the Caro-Kann, certainly it was true; but the line has enjoyed a renaissance in recent years. An altogether fascinating struggle, filled with vicissitudes. |
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Oct-07-22
 | | fredthebear: I agree wholeheartedly. Well, I'm not up to chapter 697 yet, but your spellin is impressieve. Fischer was undoubtedly influenced by the world championship rematch in '58: Smyslov vs Botvinnik, 1958 I'll go so far as to say that Nepo will spring the Two Knights on Liren in the next world championship. (Notice that I caint spell those full Russian names that don't start with the letter K. Gretzky and Jagr is about it for me). |
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| Oct-07-22 | | Chessius the Messius: Twas a bit unfortunate that Bobby was not Bobby yet, and could not figure out the position was winning after 51 ply: 17. axb4 Nc7 18. fxe5 Kb8 19. Nc4 h5 20. e6 Qxe6 21. e5 Rd7 22. Qf2 Nb5 23. Qf5 Nd8 24. Qf4 Qh6 25. Qe4 h4 26. g4 a6 27. Rf5 Qe6 28. Qf4 Rc7 29. Kh1 Rd7 30. Rf1 Rc7 31. g5 Nc3 32. Qf2 Qe7 33. Rf4 Nb5 34. Rxh4 Rxh4 35. Qxh4 Ka7 36. Qg3 g6 37. h4 Qxb4 38. Qf2 Kb8 39. Kh2 Qe7 40. Qf4 Qd7 41. Bh3 Qe7 42. Kg3 
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| Jun-16-23 | | kereru: I gave the position after 42.c5, the only serious winning attempt, to a recent Stockfish release. The results were inconclusive, it's not even clear what Black's best move is. There are 3 viable replies, but it's possible that they are all losing. 65/108 13:56:41 27,971,142k 557k -2.82 42. ... Qdd7 43.Qb8+ Nb5 44.Be2 Qxc5 45.Bd1+ Ka3 46.Qhxe5 Qb4 47.Qg3 Qde7 48.Qa8+ Na7 49.Qf2 Qc3 50.Qe2 Kb4 51.e5 Nb5 52.e6 Qd6 53.Kg2 Qd5+ 54.Kg3 Qd6+ 55.Kh3 Qc1 56.Qa4+ Kc5 57.Qac2+ Qxc2 58.Bxc2 Nc7 59.e7 Qh6+ 60.Kg2 Kd6 61.e8N+ Nxe8 62.Qxe8 Qd2+ 63.Kg3 Qxc2 64.Qf8+ Kc7 65.Qg7+ Kc8 66.Qxd4 Qc1 67.Qd6 Kb7 68.Kh4 Qh1+ 69.Kg5 Qh7 70.Qg6 Qh8 71.Qf6 Qg8+ 72.Kf4 Qb8+ 73.Kf3 Qh2 74.g5 Qh3+ 75.Ke4 Qg2+ 76.Ke5 Qe2+ 77.Kd6 Qxd3+ 78.Ke7 Qe4+ 79.Kf7 Qc4+ 80.Kf8 Qh4 81.Qe7+ Ka6 82.g6 Qf4+ 83.Ke8 Qb8+ 84.Kf7 Qf4+ 85.Qf6 Qc7+ 86.Ke6 Qc8+ 87.Ke5 Qb8+ 88.Qd6 Qh8+ 89.Ke6 Qc8+ 90.Ke7 65/123 13:56:41 27,971,142k 557k -3.12 42. ... Qxc5 43.Qg8+ Ka3 44.Qc2 Qb4 45.Qc1+ Ka4 46.Qa1+ Kb5 47.Qb8+ Kc5 48.Qaa7+ Qxa7 49.Qxa7+ Kd6 50.Qf7 Qb1 51.Qf6+ Kc7 52.g5 Qc1 53.Kh2 Kb6 54.Kh3 Qe3+ 55.Kg4 Qg1+ 56.Kh5 Qh2+ 57.Kg6 Ne2 58.Kf7 Nf4 59.Qxe5 Qa2+ 60.Kf6 Qf2 61.g6 Nxg6+ 62.Kxg6 Qg1+ 63.Kh7 Qxf1 64.Qxd4+ Kc7 65.Qe5+ Kb6 66.Qd6 Qh3+ 67.Kg7 Kb7 68.e5 Qg4+ 69.Qg6 Qd4 70.Qf6 Qxd3 71.e6 Qg3+ 72.Kf7 Qh2 73.Kg8 Qb8+ 74.Qf8 Qh2 75.Qf7+ Kb6 76.e7 Qg3+ 77.Kf8 Qa3 78.Kg7 Qg3+ 79.Qg6 Qe5+ 80.Qf6 Qg3+ 81.Kf8 Qa3 82.Qe5 Qf3+ 83.Kg7 Qg4+ 84.Kf7 Qc4+ 85.Kf8 Qf1+ 86.Kg8 65/108 13:56:41 27,971,142k 557k -3.20 42. ... Qde6 43.Be2 Kb4 44.Bd1 Kxc5 45.Qb2 Nb5 46.Qa6 Qe8 47.Kg2 Q6f7 48.Qc1+ Kd6 49.g5 Qf4 50.Qxf4 exf4 51.Qa5 Qg8 52.Qb4+ Kc7 53.Qe7+ Kb6 54.Kh3 Qh8+ 55.Kg4 Qh1 56.Bf3 Qh2 57.g6 Qg3+ 58.Kf5 Qxf3 59.g7 Qh5+ 60.Kxf4 Qh2+ 61.Kg5 Nc7 62.Qf6 Qg1+ 63.Kh6 Qg4 64.Qxd4+ Kb7 65.Qb4+ Nb5 66.Qe7+ Nc7 67.Qg5 Qe6+ 68.Kh7 Qd7 69.Qe5 Ne8 70.Kg6 Qg4+ 71.Kf7 Nxg7 72.Qxg7 Qh3 73.e5 Qxd3 74.e6 Qf5+ 75.Kg8+ Kb6 76.e7 Qd5+ 77.Qf7 Qg5+ 78.Kf8 Qh6+ 79.Qg7 Qf4+ 80.Kg8 Qe3 81.Kf7 Qb3+ 82.Kf8 Qf3+ 83.Qf7 Qa3 84.Kg7 Qg3+ 85.Qg6 Qe5+ 86.Qf6 Qg3+ 87.Kf8 Qa3 88.Qe5 Qf3+ 89.Kg8 Qg2+ 90.Kf7 Qf3+ 91.Ke6 Qg4+ 92.Kf6 |
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| Jun-16-23 | | kereru: By the way all 3 of those lines are won for White (tablebase check), indicating that 42.c5 is probably a win. Has anyone got sf fitted up with 7 man tablebases? That should yield more accurate main lines for 42...Qdd7 42...Qxc5 and 42...Qde6 |
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Oct-12-24
 | | Chessmaletaja: The position after <37 h8♕>:
click for larger viewNow, there are four queens on the board.
Black cannot give any troubling checks.
White cannot give a check without immediately exchanging one pair of queens.
Therefore, Black's king is not in immediate trouble. My chess engines suggest that Petrosian blundered here, playing <37...♕a7?>
The queen is very passive on a7. After
<38 g4!>
White had excellent winning chances.
Better was an active move
<37...♕e1!>
Black aims to give checks to White's king, and the dangerous ♘e2 is in the air. If White plays g4, the square g3 remains undefended! I cannot analyse that 4-queens endgame further, it would take weeks to analyse it. |
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| Nov-17-24 | | B. Nice: I noticed an error on moves 31-33. Per the Kindle edition of the book, the correct sequence should be: 31 Qxg6 Rxf1+ 32 Bxf1 Rxh7 33 Qxh7 a3
That said, I think the net positions are the same for the start of 34. |
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