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| Jan-03-05 |
| MindlessOne: <newold>
I believe I included Qxg4 in some of my analysis, yes white is a piece up which is why it says white to move and win, One point I am trying to make is that Qh4+ might be blacks best move. surely dxe5 is one of the best, but I think Qh4+ might be a little better. |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| erimiro1: I don't get your analysis. After Oh4+ white play g3 and the game is over! |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| Nickisimo: Wow. Poor Fernandez. This is like Lesson 3 of Chess 101. I wonder how many poor souls have been victimized by a Legal's Mate. |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| MindlessOne: <erimiro1>
7...Qh4+ 8. g3 Bxd1 9.Bxf7+ Kd8 10.gxh4 Bxc2 This seems to give black a fairly good position, g3 and the game is not over. |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| newold: <mindlessone> after 7. ... Qh4+, 8.g3 Bxd1 9. gxh4 d6xe5 (if 9. ... Bxc2 then 10. Nxf7 catch the rook h8) 10. Kxd1 and white is a piece up. |
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Jan-03-05
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| Chessical: <mindlessone> Black is, I am afraid, completely busted - being a piece down for no compensation: <7...Qh4+> 8.g3 Bxd1 9.<gxh4!>, and now Black cannot take on c2 because of <Nxf7> |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| rochade18: <MindlessOne> white should first play gxh4 and then play Nxf7, getting the rook for free. To prevent this, black may answer dxe5, but then white is still up a minor piece: Kxd8 |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| rochade18: Oh I was too late with my idea...
Does this trap only appear in e4-e5 openings, or can it be seen anywhere else? |
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Jan-03-05
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| artemis: <rochade> I have not seen any non e4-e5 legal's mates, and I think that the only way it could happen is in the variations with e4 by white and an eventual e5 by black or no movement of the e pawn. In short, it is highly unlikely unless you make a composed game. |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| MindlessOne: I realize black has no chance, this is just my opinion of the best method of continuation. White is a piece up and black has no compensation, All Im saying is Qh4+ is slightly better than exd5. Sorry for the confusion |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| MindlessOne: <chessical>
7...Qh4+ 8.g3 Bxd1 9.gxh4 Bh5 10.Nd5 0-0-0
Here is a position much much better than my original Bxc2 idea, Black most definitely will lose, but this would have been a better continuation than exd5. Any refutations to the validity of this variation? |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| MindlessOne: Back in these days, the Romantic Days Of Chess, players felt obligated to accept beautiful combinations. This is the reason Fernandez took the queen, Im sure he was aware of this checkmate. |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| Castle In The Sky: Is Fernandez related to NN? |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| Phoenix: I actually got to play a Legall's mate just the other day in a casual Email game! |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| Nickisimo: <artemis and phoenix> Yes, I've seen it happen in actual games, although it's very rare. I think I mated someone in a casual 5 min game with a very similar mate, maybe taking 9 moves or so. Not quite as clear cut and definitive as the Legal's mate here, but still pretty embarassing.
If you look at the opening moves for White, this almost looks like a transposed King's Gambit Declined, although that Nc3 is a bit off base. 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 can actually be a pesky opening to defend against. It's theoretically and positionally incorrect, but it can be hard to exploit. |
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Jan-03-05
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| kevin86: This is just another of the 962 versions of the Legal's mate-all of them elegant!! The finish,alas,is so well known,that it is rarely fallen into today. |
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Jan-03-05
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| artemis: <Nikisimo> do you mean that you have seen a type of legal's mate in non e4-e5 openings? would you mind posting one of them if so. |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| Novice713: I've seen this game before, or at least a similar one with the queen sacrifice. |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| MindlessOne: <kevin68>
How do you know that there are 962 legal mate variations and would you please give a source so I can study them all |
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Jan-03-05
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| kevin86: <MindlessOne>the number is fake-just meant as a joke-the number comes from the extended life of the Bible patriarch,Jared (see Genesis 5:10.) No,you do not live up to your name |
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| Jan-03-05 |
| fizixgeek: Genius!
I completely missed Nd5! |
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Jan-05-05
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| patzer2: It seems to me that Legal's mate, as with 7. Nxe5 in this game, combines two basic tactical themes. The forcing 7. Nxe5 is a "deflection" tactic (which can be further sub-categorized as "removing the guard"). It also constitutes a "double attack," since White threatens to win a piece (7...dxf5 8. QxB) or mate as in the game. |
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| Nov-27-05 |
| Chopin: A beautiful move to finish the game. |
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| Nov-28-05 |
| syracrophy: 6...Nxe5?? was a huge mistake. I would have preferred 6...dxe5 instead, keeping a good position. I disliked 4...a6? also. 4...Nf6 was much better and the most natural move |
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Jan-16-09
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| blacksburg: this combination never gets old. :) |
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