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|Nov-07-05|| ||cu8sfan: <al wazir> Even today the draw after threefold repetition must be claimed by one of the players. It's not an automatic draw. Check out rule 9.2 of the Fide handbook: http://fide.com/official/handbook.a...|
|Nov-07-05|| ||Saruman: Of Mice and Men...lol|
|Nov-07-05|| ||kevin86: Jinks the Cat:"I hate meeces to pieces!"
Not to be confused to the White Sox closer-Jenks. In turn not to be confused with Socks the Cat-the former First Cat.
A really good finish-black mates or wins the white queen.
|Nov-07-05|| ||sneaky pete: For the uninitiated: meeces (Mieses) is the plural of mice. <BadTemper> After 27.Qxc7+ Kxc7 28.Rc1+ K moves 29.Nxg3 Nxe5 white still suffers from a 3 pawn deficit.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: Nice GOTD!
"Of Mice and Men" is a novel by John Steinbeck (1902-1968), a writer particularly well known in the USA. In this novel, the two main characters George and half-wit Lenny are wandering through the US during the Depression, dreaming of a better life for themselves. Then, just as heaven is within their grasp, it is inevitably yanked away. An incident with a young girl leads to a tragic end for this classic American tale.
More information about this novel can be found at http://www.novelguide.com/ofmiceand...
|Nov-07-05|| ||Saruman: <EmperorAtahualpa> Have you seen the movie version? It's quite good actually.|
|Nov-07-05|| ||keypusher: Here is another nice Mieses game with this defense.
W John vs J Mieses, 1908
|Nov-07-05|| ||chesscrazy: I think a knight fork follows in the game
By the way, I recently played a game with someone 39 years older than me (I'm 12 if you want to know) and I am black. Please give me your thoughts about this game.
Don't forget that I am black!
1. e4 e5 2. Qf3 Nf6 3. h3 Nc6 4. c3 Bc5 5. Bc4 O-O 6. d3 a6 7. d4 exd4 8. Be2 dxc3 9. bxc3 d6 10. Qg3 Re8 11. Bh6 g6 12. h4 Nxe4 13. Qf3 Nf6 14. Nh3 Bxh3 15. Rxh3 d5 16. h5 d4 17. Qd3 dxc3 18. Qxc3 Bb4 19. Rd3 Bxc3+ 20. Nxc3 Qxd3 21. Rc1 Qd6 22. g3 Qe6 23. Be3 Qe7 24. hxg6 fxg6 25. Rd1 Rad8 26. Bc4+ Kf8 27. Nd5 Nxd5 28. Kf1 Nxe3+ 29. fxe3 Rxd1+ 30. Ke2 Rd6 31. Bb3 Nd4+ 0-1
|Nov-07-05|| ||OhioChessFan: I know it didn't work, but what was the supposed point of Rg3?|
|Nov-07-05|| ||patzer2: I miss <Karlzen>. His post earlier indicating 22. h3! would have saved White's game was right to the point.|
Mieses wins with the combination 24...Qxh2+ (deflection) 25. Kf1 Rxd1+! (deflection pseudo-sacrifice removing the guard) 26. Rxd1 Qxg3! (deflection pseudo-sacrifice removing the guard) -- setting up the threat of two consecutive winning Knight Fork after 26...Nxg3 27. Ne3+ Kf2 28. Nxc4. Here, with four extra pawns, Black would have no trouble winning.
White can only avoid the forks with the desperado 27. Qxc7+ Kxc7 28. Rc1+ Kb6 29. Nxg3 Nxe5 , when he's only three pawns down but just as lost.
|Nov-07-05|| ||patzer2: Black's 22...Bxe5! gives Black the advantage and a strong initiative, and was earlier a difficult Sunday puzzle. However it is unclear whether Black can force the win after 24. Qc5! to maximize resistance (see Karlzen's analysis earlier).|
|Nov-07-05|| ||al wazir: <cu8sfan: Even today the draw after threefold repetition must be claimed by one of the players. It's not an automatic draw. Check out rule 9.2 of the Fide handbook.> Thanks, I checked rule 9.2 and learned something. |
I also learned that a position is considered to be repeated even if two identical pieces have changed places. Thus, in today's GOTD, the sequence 16...Qg5 17. Na2 Qd8 18. Nec3 Qg5 19. Nd1 Qd8 20. Nac3 Qg5 21. Ne2 Qd8 22. Ndc3 Qg5 23. Nd1 Qd8 24. Ndc3 Qg5 could be claimed as a draw, even though the two white knights have changed places.
Every chess program I've ever used automatically claims the draw when the third repetition occurs.
|Nov-07-05|| ||Calculon: <you vs yourself> Won't white lose another pawn after black takes the queen? The pawns at b2 and e5 are attacked and both cannot be defended.|
White's pawns are all isolated while black still has a strong pawn structure.
It looks like a fairly easy win for black.
|Nov-07-05|| ||you vs yourself: <Calculon> I included one of the pawns lost at b2 or e5 when I said black won 2 pawns. Maybe the endgame is won, but there's no forced win here though. So, I might've played a few more moves to make sure black doesn't blunder away his advantage.|
|Nov-08-05|| ||patzer2: <chess crazy> Just looked at your game. Great job of punishing 7. d4? After 7...exd5! your opponent was busted.|
If instead, your opponent had played the line 7. Bg5! Be7 8. Nd2 =, then you'd have had a game on your hands. Always a good idea to look at your games for your opponent's best moves, especially if they prepare and play you again
|Nov-08-05|| ||Averageguy: <chesscrazy>Good game, doesn't seem much to improve on, you showed good tactical skills. Here are what I think are possible improvements. 9...d5 looks better, opening the game more to exploit your superior development. The simple 13...Bxf2+ or 13...Nxf2 looked better than retreating. You missed 19...Qxd3 exploiting the pins on the queen and bishop. You won the rook anyway but 20.Rxc3 would have saved it for white. 30...Qxe3+ forces mate after 31.Kxd1 Rd8+ 32.Kc2 (32.Bd3 Rxd3+ 33.Kc2 Rd2+ 34.Kc/b1 Qe1#)32...Rd2+ 33.Kc/b1 Qe1#|
|Nov-08-05|| ||patzer2: <Averageguy> In <chesscrazy>'s game, Black wins after <20. Rxc3> if he replies 20...Nd4! to attack and win the Bishop pinned on e2.|
|Nov-09-05|| ||Averageguy: <patzer2>Hmm, can't white simply play
21.Be3 after 20...Nd4 ? I don't see anything for black here. Of course, he is still winning, but I don't think there is a win on the spot.|
|Nov-09-05|| ||patzer2: After 26..Qxg3!, Schlecter, seeing the damage being caused by Meises' active Knight and Queen, is rumored to have said "I hate those Mieses' two pieces!" |
This line was later used in a slightly different version in an American cartoon show per http://www.petcaretips.net/mar16-04...: <Jinx the cat "hated meeces to pieces," but loved his Kellogg's
"Pixie And Dixie" was a segment of Hanna-Barbara's first hit
cartoon, "The Huckleberry Hound Show."
The Huckleberry Hound Show" was William Hanna and
Joseph Barbera's second made-for-TV series . The series
premiered in 1958 and starred a good-natured hound dog with
a Southern drawl, Huckleberry Hound.
Sponsored nationally by Kellogg's Cereals, the show was the
first fully animated series made strictly for television, in contrast
to those hosted by live performers or ones with a cinematic history.
Pixie and Dixie" and "Mr. Jinks" were the first additional segments
on the 30-minute program. Pixie and Dixie were two little mice
who were constantly menaced by their playful nemesis. Jinks
the Cat, who "hates meeces to pieces.">
|Nov-09-05|| ||patzer2: <Averageguy> In the game in question, look at the position after 21. Be3 Nxe2 22. Kxe2 Nxh5 . It's a win on the spot, only unless White wishes to continue playing with a huge material deficit in a clearly lost position.|
|Nov-10-05|| ||Averageguy: <patzer2> Yes, this is winning, but not as much as after 19...Qxd3, which wins a whole rook as well as the queen. Your line only wins a pawn.|
|Jan-22-07|| ||Fast Gun: At first glance I thought that 27. Qd4 would have held the game, but then I saw Nh2+ 28.Kg1 Nf3+ winning the Queen (win by pin & Knight fork)|
|Oct-06-08|| ||Whitehat1963: Spectacular finish after 22. e5. It appears Mieses saw the entire combination from there, as it seems all but forced. Bloody brilliant!|
|Oct-06-08|| ||ughaibu: Have a look at this, from a blindfold match: Schlechter vs Mieses, 1909|
|Oct-06-08|| ||Whitehat1963: <ughaibu> Amen! That is an amazing game you linked to. And NO ONE has kibitzed on it!|
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