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NN vs Gioachino Greco
"Happy Smothers' Day" (game of the day May-08-05)
? 1625  ·  King's Gambit: Panteldakis Countergambit. Greco Variation (C30)  ·  0-1


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May-03-05   Jaymthegenius: O.k, better would be 3.Bc5,Nc6 4.fxe5,d6 5.Nf3,g5 and the position is somewhat equal.
May-03-05   Jaymthegenius: Actually, not 4...d6, 4...Bc5 and I mean 3.Bc4
May-08-05   be3292: <noendgame> recopulates is more fun
May-08-05
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  cu8sfan: Great pun! Thanks to <chessgames.com> I failed to forget to send flowers! Thank you so much!
May-08-05
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  xenophon: It may be Mothers' day in the States and continental Europe-but in Britain we had Mothering Sunday weeks ago at the half point of Lent.The European Union tried to synchronise Mothers' day-probably so the Dutch could sell more carnations(we Brits give daffodils)-but thankfully couldn't as Mothering Sunday is a religous festival that follows Easter(named after an Anglo-Saxon goddess)around the calender.
May-08-05
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  BrownRecluse: Better to recopulate than never.
May-08-05   mack: Ugh. Black plays the opening terribly; were it not for the smothered mate this game would have no place in the database at all. Horrible.
May-08-05
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  Boomie: <sleepkid> Why do we analyze? Because we can. What if somebody plays f5 against your K-gambit? Here are some Fritz suggestions. The surprise to me is that they found any good moves almost 400 years ago.

1. e4 e5 2. f4 f5 3. exf5 Qh4+ 4. g3 Qe7

(4... Qf6 5. Qh5+ g6 6. fxg6 hxg6 7. Qxe5+ Qxe5+ 8. fxe5 d6 (1.29))

5. Qh5+ Kd8 6. fxe5 Qxe5+ 7. Be2 Nf6 8. Qf3 d5

(8... d6 9. Qb3 Qxf5 10. Nf3 c6 11. O-O Kc7 (0.54))

9. g4

(9. Qb3 Qxf5 10. Nf3 c6 =)

9... h5

(9... Bd7 =)

10. h3

(10. g5 Ne8 11. Qb3 Qxf5 12. Nf3 c6 13. d4 Nd6 (0.61))

10... hxg4 11. hxg4 Rxh1 12. Qxh1 Qg3+ 13. Kd1

(13. Kf1 Nxg4 14. Qxd5+ Bd7 15. Bxg4 Qxg4 16. Nc3 Nc6 17. d3 Kc8 18. Qf3 (-0.60))

13... Nxg4

(13... Ne4 )

14. Qxd5+

(14. Bxg4 Qxg4+ 15. Nf3 )

May-08-05
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  kevin86: A Philidor's legacy before Philidor! Then again,some think Greco was a fictional character or conglomeration of several people-like some think the Shakespeare was.

Yes,the quality of chess was poor,but then again,aren't all infants that way?

May-08-05   britny rules: 1625 damm good year!
May-10-05   Jaymthetactician: But Kasparov's analysis on this game is better then the actual game! Even according to Fritz! Anyone want to analyse 3.Bc4 in this game? I feel it is better then the game.
May-10-05   Jaymthetactician: The surprise to me is that they found any good moves almost 400 years ago.

Well, the openings we know of today are the result of common sense.

May-18-05   Jaymthetactician: On Kasparov's analysis:

1. e4 e5
2. f4 f5
3. exf5 Qh4+
4. g3 Qe7
5. Qh5+ Kd8
6. fxe5 Qxe5+
7. Qe2 Qxf5 (7.Qe2! suggested by Kasparov)
8. d3 Nf6
9. Bh3 Qd5
10. Nf3 Bc5 is supposedly -.25 better for black though.

and Kasparov's origninal suggestion would bring:

7. Qe2 Qxf5
8. Bh3 Qxc2
9. Nc3 Nc6
10. Nf3 Nh6
11. Rf1 d6
12. Bg2 which is supposedly -.92 better for black!

computers however suggest 8.Ne2?, but I cant help but think that even the game continuation is better, as after feeding that to a computer it gives:

7. Be2 Nf6
8. Qf3 Bc5
9. Nc3 Re8
10. Nh3

I think it's hilarious how this NN patzer spotted a more accurate move then chesslab.

Computer's suggestion:

7. Ne2 Nf6
8. Qf3 Bc5
9. Nbc3 Re8
10. d3

I used to say exf5 was blunder, but in reality is best.

Dec-12-05   DeepBlade: The coolest mating patterns
-Smothered mate (including Queen sac)
-Queen sac, normal mate
-mate with minor piece(s)
-mate with 0-0 of 0-0-0
Feb-14-06   Whitehat1963: What a great little puzzle from the Player of the Day after 15. Nf3!
Feb-25-06   McCool: That was a nice Queen sacrafice.
Jan-02-07   Sibahi: Ouch!!
Apr-04-07   realbrob: One of the first recorded examples of the smothered mate, I guess.. Fascinating! Is 2..f5 a good move?
Apr-28-07
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  ketchuplover: What about 5. fxe4 ?
Oct-04-07   wolfmaster: Only NN would fall for this one.
Jan-28-08   wolfmaster: The true Philidor's(or is it Greco's?) Legacy.
Jan-28-08   Petrosianic: Not quite. It goes back even farther than Greco. The earliest Smothered Mate shows up as far back as Lucena's 1497 book. Not sure how Philidor got his name on it. He probably had a better agent.

Mar-08-08
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  playground player: Somebody threw this Panteldakis Countergambit at me the other night, and it was a big surprise. Fortunately for me, his name wasn't Giaochino Greco.
Aug-18-09   tentsewang: What a genius Greco!
Oct-16-09   WhiteRook48: 15 c3 is the best chance
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