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| Jan-29-03 | | mrwonkabar: Thats a funny lookin trap. |
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| Aug-07-03 | | Harapu: How about 10. ..Nb4 ? Black will lose a knight, not a queen . |
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| Dec-01-03 | | youngplayer11: <how about 10. ..Nb4?Black loses a knight,not a queen.>its still worth resgning against alekhine |
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| Dec-30-03 | | Hidden Skillz: but its so nicely done i seen some games by him traping queens similar to this..its crazy how he makes it look so easy.. |
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Feb-17-04
 | | nasmichael: Not quite a miniature, but an unwillingness to play Alekhine the man and restarting an attack plan. How could he have avoided this trap? Development instead of attacking so early. |
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| Feb-17-04 | | WMD: This game is not listed by Skinner & Verhoeven. If memory serves, Winter's Chess Explorations discussed a spurious Alekhine-Nenarokov game. Perhaps someone with the book to hand could confirm this. |
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| Feb-17-04 | | drukenknight: if he is going to 000 early then he should accept being down in material: 8...Rxd5 and then go after the K. |
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| Jul-29-04 | | Knight13: Cool queen trap. Good game. |
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| Sep-12-04 | | sneaky pete: <WMD> I don't have Winter's book and I couldn't google any useful information on the internet, but I discovered one curious fact browsing through printed short games collections. Exactly the 10 moves were played in Tolush vs Aronson, 24th USSR Championship, Leningrad, 1957 (not in this database). So if this game should be spurious, the dirty rat probably didn't have a paw in it. |
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| Jul-24-05 | | A.Alekhine: Again Alekhine make it look easy |
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| Aug-18-05 | | jamesmaskell: Ouch, like a bug in the spiders web. |
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Sep-28-06
 | | Phony Benoni: <WMD> Good memory! I don't have the Winter book, but I did find an index online which indicated that "Chess Explorations" did mention a spurious Alekhine--Nenarokov game. By the way, this game is also not in the three-volume set of Alekhine's games edited by Khalifman. |
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| Sep-30-06 | | Calli: <Exactly the 10 moves were played in Tolush vs Aronson, 24th USSR Championship, Leningrad, 1957> <Sneaky Pete> Yes, that's the real game. This score was a fraud perpetrated by Grigory Bogunovich of Pittsburg, Pa who sent it in to Chess Review (September 1959, p257) along with a clearly rediculous story about the encounter. Note that it appeared shortly after Tolush-Aronson. I wonder if "Grigory Bogunovich" was a real person. |
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| Jun-11-07 | | Pawsome: 6... Rxd5 7. Nxd5 Qxd5 with a pawn for the exchange is black's best. |
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| Oct-27-09 | | vonKrolock: Compare to Tolush vs Aronson, 1957 And read also Edward Winter's <"The Alekhine vs Nenarokov Hoax"> http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... and <"Chess Notes"> 6354 October 2009 |
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| Nov-12-09 | | jonico: I would played 10...Ne3... |
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| May-21-10 | | jsteward: jonico....Better to lose a knight first than exchange queens? Don't think so! |
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| May-02-11 | | Mozart72: White's known 10. Na4 ... Makes Black move Nb6. Then: 11. Bxa5 Rxd1+
12. Rxd1 Nxa4
13. ...
Ending in a draw after 63 moves. |
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| May-02-11 | | Mozart72: Black wins in 77 moves with the Queen's Indian Defense: Petrosian Variation (E12): 1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 e6
3. Nf3 b6
4. a3 |
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| May-02-11 | | Mozart72: This short game (only 10 moves) shows us the fine line between chess opening innovation and chess generation gaps. Suppose Nenarokov (1880-1953) knew about Petrosian's (1929-1984) variation on the Queen's Indian, he might have thrown away the QGD: Chigorin (1850-1908) Defense, Main Line. But this did not happen, and Alekhine (1892-1946) won. This short game (only 10 moves) was played in 1907. Tigran Petrosian was not innovating yet. |
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| May-02-11 | | Jim Bartle: "White's known 10. Na4 ... Makes Black move Nb6. Then:
11. Bxa5 Rxd1+
12. Rxd1 Nxa4
13. ...
"Ending in a draw after 63 moves."
Sorry, I don't understand. You're saying there's a game from that position which was a draw in 63 moves, or that you've analyzed every variation for the next 50 moves? |
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| May-02-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> I've analyzed some variations from move 10. Na4, onward. The last variation analyzed gave me a winner for Black with 77 moves. |
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| May-02-11 | | Jim Bartle: "Black wins in 77 moves with the Queen's Indian Defense: Petrosian Variation (E12):
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 e6
3. Nf3 b6
4. a3"
That would be news to the white players who won 831 games with this variation in this database. 576 wins for black. |
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| May-02-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> I guess it shall be news for the white players. But I don't know how to put the moves on a diagram. It would be tedious to type the 77 moves, one by one and kibitz! |
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| May-02-11 | | Jim Bartle: Perhaps you should inform Karpov, Bronstein, Gulko, Kavalek, Larsen, Browne, Polugaevsky, Seirawan, Yusupov, Smyslov, Andersson, Short and many others. Every one of them has lost from that postion as black. Do you want the list of players who have won as white as well? http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Here's a famous white win from that position: Kasparov vs Ulf Andersson, 1981 |
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