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Bogdan Sliwa vs David Bronstein
"The Immortal Losing Game" (game of the day Aug-24-2008)
Gotha (1957), Gotha GDR, rd 4, Sep-??
Dutch Defense: Fianchetto Attack (A81)  ·  1-0
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Sep-07-05
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  patzer2: <OhioChessFan> <Bishop> Was 11...Nd4 really all that bad? What 11th move alternative should Black have played?

Sep-07-05  alexandrovm: ouch, that must hurt...
Sep-08-05
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  OhioChessFan: <Patzer2>, the simple Nxe4 should maintain. d5 looks okay as a followup. I could understand if Black had continued with Nxf4 and pressure on the queen pawn, but the game followup is pointless. Maybe black was worried about the congestion on c7 and d7, but surely that could have been dealt with better than the knight getting chased all over the board as white developed with tempo.
Sep-08-05
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  patzer2: <OhioChessFan> Your recommendation 11...Nxe4 looks good to hold the position for Black. Fritz 8 gives 11...Nxe4 12. Nxe4 Qf6 = with sufficient counterplay for equality.

However, I personally don't see 11...Nd4 as that bad a move. Yes, it moves a piece twice in the opening, but by this point Black is not far behind in development. By opening lines for the Bishop and Queen, blockading the central pawn advance and threatening the Bishop, the move is not a pointless, nondeveloping move.

I see a bigger problem with Black's followup 13...Nb6?! if instead, Black had played 13...Nxf6 he would have been at a slight disadvantage, but would appear to have had sufficient counterplay to hold.

Feb-04-08
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  whiteshark: <"Immortal Losing Game">

It is so called because Bronstein, in a completely lost position, set a series of elegant traps in an attempt to swindle a victory from a lost game, although Śliwa deftly avoided Bronstein's traps and won.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immort...

Feb-04-08  Tomlinsky: "If you have made a mistake or committed an inacuracy there is no need to become annoyed and to think that everything is lost. You have to reorientate yourself quickly and find a new plan in the new situation." - Bronstein.
Feb-07-08  execve: Kamikaze-style attack.
It is fun to see how black lose more and more pieces but still moving forward.
Jun-27-08  Rzazel: Long time observer, first time kibitzer! Can someone please explain the line <THE pawn> noted: 28...Nxa2+ 29 Kb1 Qb3+ 30. Ka1 Bxc2. Its really bugging me why you wouldnt play this as black. Especially after keeping up the hunt! Thanks :)
Jun-27-08  najdorfman: Rzazel: 28...Nxa2+ 29. Kb1 Qb3+ 30. Ka1 Bxc2 is met by 31. Qd8+ Kg7 (not 31...Kf7 32 Rd7 mate.) 32. Rd7+ Qf7 33. Rxf7+ Kxf7 34. Kxa2 and White remains with a queen and rook versus a bishop. I hope that answers your question. White could also play 29. Kb2 to discourage any further checks.

Aug-24-08  RandomVisitor: 11...Qe7 followed by 0-0-0 would seem to equalize.
Aug-24-08
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  maxi: Great pun! (The game ain't so good...)
Aug-24-08
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: Anyone else reminded of this scene?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMk...
Aug-24-08
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  playground player: Good choice of title! This is very much a version of the Immortal Game that doesn't come off.
Aug-24-08
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  Chessmensch: <Gregor Samsa Mendel> Yes, but the video reminds me even more of Inspector Clouseau.
Aug-24-08
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  parmetd: my god if you didn't tell me this was bronstein playing I would have guessed it was a random 1200... this does not look like the great GM at all! Worst game i've ever seen bronstein play.
Aug-24-08
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  Gregor Samsa Mendel: "'Tis boot a scretch...joost a flash wind.."
Aug-24-08  Katu: <playground player>: my thoughts exactly..
Aug-24-08
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  maxi: David should have played 29...♗f5; you never know, White could move his Knight and get mated.
Aug-24-08  cyruslaihy: sometimes when i become material down, i keep on sacrificing and hope i can get a mating attack going. sometimes i succeed, and sometimes i end up like brostein
Aug-24-08  cyruslaihy: <Gregor Samsa Mendel Anyone else reminded of this scene? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMk...;
wow, that black knight was really unarmed and defeated!
Aug-25-08
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  kevin86: An odd one:white won despite dodging the bullets of two queen sacrifices.
Nov-08-08  thebribri8: White shows great self-control in this game! Bronstein underestimated his opponent.
Feb-04-09  Granny O Doul: What is the pun that two posters refer to? As far as the title goes, the game has had that since at least the time of Golombek's chess encyclopedia (1977).
Oct-09-09  WhiteRook48: when you succeed you are tal?
May-23-19  trolley.813: <Rzazel> In a variation by <THE pawn>, after 31. Qd8+ White mates in 7
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