|Feb-09-04|| ||Honza Cervenka: Bogdan Sliwa (February 4, 1922 - May 16, 2003) was an International Master and Honorary FIDE Grandmaster. He played also correspondence chess and since 1996 he held the ICCF GM title. |
|Feb-09-04|| ||uponthehill: There is an interesting story about Sliwa. He could become first Polish grandmaster after WW2- he had enough rating points, but he needed one more game played in a world olympics. He had a chance during Tel Awiw olympic games at 1964, but the captain of a Polish team, Andrzej Filipowicz, had moved Sliwa to the reserve, just before that game which would gave Sliwa the title (even if he would lose). That cause is unclear even today and brings shadow on the Filipowicz name. On the last congress of Polish Chess Association Filipowicz was publicly accused by Rafal Przedmojski (former champion of Warsaw) of activities against Sliwa. Local chess monthly has written that Filipowicz was afraid of Sliwa becoming a grandmaster- such independent, internationally respected and powerful person could threaten Filipowicz power in Polish chess world, whose prominent activist he was. |
|Jun-07-04|| ||ruffin: Uponethehill gives (unintentionally) a imprecise information. It is quite different story. In fact in that time all about GM title strongly depended on a rank of tournament and number of grandmasters (if a remeber 5 types od tournaments, it was possible to achieve GM title in one tournament). Sliwa was the only one polish player on this Olipmic Games who won with two grandmasters and draw (with pawn more) with Botwinnik (2,5 out 3 with GM). And the point is that he was not able to play against two other grandmasters- NRF (West Germany) and Yugoslawia and because of this he had to do much more better percentage result in another category of tournament. But he (Sliwa) played such well that polish team command (Krynski, Filipowicz) was afraid that despite his efforts Sliwa could somehaw do it. So just to be sure they expeled the best player from squad in the last round with Rumania ( it couldn't helped him, but they just was scare). I have to admit that Mr Krynski was the Polish chief of the team and represented polish federation on the congress. Of course he was a member of the communist party and a safety catch. A member of polish team IM Jacek Bednarski told me, in official interviev with me in polish chess journal "Panorama", that Krynski "forgot" to submit his (Bednarski) and Zbigniew Doda IM titles on a congress, but due to Bednarski personal relationship they got titles from another zone! It shows that that guy (Krynski) was not interested in titles for polish players - even IM ! In Poland that time was only 3 IM. Moreover in 1968 in Lugano when Polish team played in "A" final and temporaily had shared 3rd places for one moment (they pleyed well) thesome man Krynski organised a team meeting and warned team "not to play too well becouse there will be conseqences". You have to remember what time it was - march 1968 strudents riots in Poland and from april some problems in Czechoslovakia witch ended with Russians, Polish and Bulgarian troops "helping hand". Mr Filipowicz was cerainly trusted men of Krynski, and his chess skills was not the reason he was a captain.
I wrote about it article in Polsh chess journal Panorama based on written (!) reports from that time. That's more or less what was it about. Rafal Przedmojski |
|Jun-07-04|| ||ruffin: I have to add that it is completely insane to write that Sliwa could lost last game and achieved title. It is just a false information and missunderstanding. I have never told or wrote such thing. But it is true that command of Polish Team seriously "helped" best Polish player on this Olimpic Games (TelAviv 1964) not to get the price - GM title. |
|Jun-08-04|| ||uponthehill: uponthehill: <<ruffin>I have to add that it is completely insane to write that Sliwa could lost last game and achieved title>|
Sorry for misunderstanding but my previous post was based on text, written by you, which I quote literally. That quote is aslo at http://www.astercity.net/~vistula/f... . I have that article in front of me (Panorama, marzec 2003, s. 104) and there stays:
"Sliwa w zasadzie norme arcymistrzowska wypelnil. Jednak nie zostal mu wtedy przyznany tytul arcymistrza, a to dlatego, ze rozegral jedynie 14 partii, podczas gdy owczesne przepisy wymagaly, by w takim przypadku zainteresowany zawodnik mial na koncie 15 partii"
(Sliwa made grandmaster standard, but wasn't given a title because he played 14 of 15 demanded games)
For me the information provided by this article was that Sliwa had no too few games won, but too few games played. With all respect, I think you expressed in inexact way.
|Jun-09-04|| ||ruffin: Dear, Uponthehill
First I am sorry for some terrible "English mistakes" I have made in tekst.
But sorry - You are just wrong, and I think someone deceive You.
First of all you are based not on me. This is quote from Mr.Litmanowicz book. And you are quoting him without care. You should citate all his quoted tekst. He wrote - "jak na ur¹gowisko"... This is in real explanation that they wanted to be sure he (Sliwa) has no chance in any case. I wrote something different -read MY tekst.
And even from this tekst (Litmanowicz)there is no word about Sliwa could loose!!!
From who or from where you got a conclusion that Sliwa could lost?
Second - I suspect that first You have read malicious tekst of Mr. Lissowski -who is a defender and a business partner of Mr Filipowicz. Or maybe You spoke with him.
Because he (Mr. T.Lissowski) is the author of this funny stumble - I have never wrote such stupid thing and Mr. Litmanowicz also did't invented this.
You clearly and visibly based on someone report. If it is a report from Mr. Filipowicz or Mr. Lissowski I would be very cautious.
|Jun-09-04|| ||uponthehill: Sorry, in fact, I've didn't notice that this quote is not yours, but from Litmanowicz book. But as I follow the discussion on PZszach forum, I wasn't the only one who understood your text in such way. You quoted Litmanowicz "Sliwa made grandmaster standard, but wasn't given a title because he played 14 of 15 demanded games". For me the logical result of Litmanowicz sentence is obvious- Sliwa needed one more game played, not one more game won. But it is only lingustic misunderstanding and now it is cleared.|
(I've read your text first, reply of Lissowski second.)
|Jun-09-04|| ||ruffin: Yes, you are right. Certainly, linguistic accuracy is key point in this case |
|Feb-04-06|| ||BIDMONFA: Bogdan Sliwa|
|Feb-04-08|| ||whiteshark: A forgotten? 'Player of the Day':
A more detailed wikipedia-bio:
in Polish: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan...
in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan...
in German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan...
|Feb-04-09|| ||brankat: R.I.P. master Sliwa.|
|Feb-04-09|| ||nescio: In the 1970's, when I always played 1.d4 under the influence of Gligoric's games, I looked for some broadening of my repertoire and chose Uhlmann's 1.c4 (and also the French and Grünfeld defences). Later I became interested in the Niemzowitsch/Botvinnik formation (c4, d3, e4) and discovered Sliwa.
In this database there are more Sliwa games with this formation than I ever dreamed existed. Someday I'll get back to them. Curiously, he never played it with the black pieces.|
|Feb-04-09|| ||brankat: <nescio> <Curiously, he never played it with the black pieces.>|
Perhaps the line is not so promising for Black :-)
|Feb-05-09|| ||nescio: <brankat> Some people may think so, Sliwa perhaps one of them, but I feel the system is solid enough that a single tempo doesn't make much difference. Two tempi may be another story, but neverthelss I played and won recently against a strong player with the following opening moves as Black: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nc3 a6 4. g3 Nc6 5. Bg2 Nge7
6. O-O d6 7. a4 e5 (voila!) 8. d3 g6 9. Nh4 Bg7 10. f4 exf4 11. gxf4 Bf6!? 12. Nf3 Bg4! and the disadvantage is within my limits. Not that i would willingly repeat the experiment :)|
|Jan-20-11|| ||SvetlanaBabe: Yes, more proof that when it comes to any endeavor Polish people are willing to 'shoot each other in the foot'.I've always said that Poald should just accept it's status as a vassal state of Russia.
Don't get too big in Poland!|
|Feb-04-11|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. < Bogdan Sliwa >.|
|Feb-04-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, GM Bogdan Sliwa.|