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Jan-06-22
 | | FSR: Barnes & Noble. |
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Jan-06-22
 | | HeMateMe: Excellent pun idea! |
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Jan-06-22
 | | MissScarlett: <The first volume of <Vom Fels zum Meer> is online, but it's not in the public domain in the UK...> It is now:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt... What does it say? |
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Jan-06-22
| | MissScarlett: Prospective punsters would do well to check out the <GOTD> archives and save me that trouble: Game Collection: Game of the Day & Puzzle of the Day Collections |
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| Jan-06-22 | | sneaky pete: The introduction in VFzM states that a certain "Dr. Lange" supplied the score, and the game was played in 18<7>8 "between the American and an English master of the first rank". The year looks like a typo, so Sergeant and others changed it to 1858, while not questioning poor Max Lange as a source. |
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Jan-06-22
 | | OhioChessFan: <Prospective punsters would do well to check out the <GOTD> archives and save me that trouble > Or not.
V Artemiev vs A Gallego Alcaraz, 2019 |
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Jan-06-22
| | OhioChessFan: Just looking at the Pun Submission Page, the GOTD Archive link is at the bottom, amidst much other verbiage. Maybe highlight it at the top of the page where it can't be missed, and appeal to the submitters to check it before submitting. |
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| Jan-06-22 | | Messiah: <HeMateMe: Excellent pun idea!> Terrible pun idea. |
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Jan-02-23
| | MissScarlett: <The first volume of <Vom Fels zum Meer> is online, but it's not in the public domain in the UK....> It is now: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt... Script is difficult to read.....what's it say? |
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Jan-02-23
 | | jnpope: I believe the Fraktur reads as:
<Unter den zahlreichen hoch interessanten Schachpartieen, welche der größte Schachspieler der Neuzeit, der Amerikaner Paul Morphy, gespielt hat, gibt es bekanntlich nur wenige aufgezeichnete Proben, welche noch nicht durch den Drud zur allgemeinen Kenntnis gelangt sind. Wir besinden uns durch gütige Bermittelung des Schachmeisters Dr. Lange in der Lage, hier unseren schachfreundlichen Lesern eine jener wenigen Spielproben mitzuteilen, welche im Jahre 1878 zwischen dem Amerikaner und einem englischen Meister ersten Ranges vorgelommen ist.>But I wouldn't count on my transcription being 100% (Fraktur is my enemy). |
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Jan-02-23
| | jnpope: <<sneaky pete:> Hmmm. That first issue of the first volume of <From Fels zum Meer> was published in October 1882.> The first volume runs October 1881 through March 1882. |
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Jan-02-23
| | jnpope: For those interested, here is the Brentano's piece which published a translation of the <Vom Fels zum Meer> article by way of the <Turf, Field and Farm>:
<A New Game by Paul Morphy.
A late issue of <Turf, Field and Farm>, contains the following, which will be interesting to all. The game will be found to be one of the most beautiful and brilliant efforts of the great American player.
The first number of the new German magazine, <Vom Fels zum Meer>, published at Stuttgart, by W. Spiemann, is the most elegant sample of German periodical literature of which we have any knowledge; the beauty of its "get up" and the artistic finish of its illustrations rival those of the best monthlies of our own country, which have a world-wide fame. It contains a Chess department, from which we take the following:
"Among the many interesting games which Paul Morphy, the greatest Chess-player of recent times, has played, there are but few excellent examples which have not yet become generally known by publication. Through the kindness of Dr. Lange we are able to produce one of those few games, played between the American and an English master of the first rank in 1858:">
source: <Brentano's Chess Monthly>, v1 n8, December 1881, p383. |
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Feb-02-23
| | HeMateMe: Where's the Noble? |
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| Feb-02-23 | | stst: <Where's the Noble?> The game itself (incl. the winner!!)
The "Noble" Game, or some say, "Royal" Game!! |
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Feb-02-23
| | FSR: <Jan-06-22
Premium Chessgames Member HeMateMe: Excellent pun idea!><Feb-02-23
Premium Chessgames Member HeMateMe: Where's the Noble?> How soon we forget. Morphy was the King of Chess. |
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Feb-02-23
 | | Teyss: <HeMateMe: Where's the Noble?> Here: Duke Karl / Count Isouard White should have played Kf1 on move 22 or 23 to get rid of the pin, but three Ps down and a lost position against the King of Chess is not an enjoyable prospect (-7.9 at 29 ply after 22.Kf1). After 27.Rf1 it's mate in 4, SF prefers 27.Ra3 Rg2+ 28.Kh3 Rxf2 29.a7 Bxa7 30.Rxa7 still 3 Ps down (-3.7 at 27 ply) 
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Feb-02-23
| | HeMateMe: I thought perhaps Morphy had been knighted in Europe or some such thing. On the other hand one or more biographers thought Morphy might have been a bit of a 'Queen'...We'll never know, as those who know aren't talking. |
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Feb-02-23
| | MissScarlett: How soon indeed: Keres vs C Barnes, 1975 |
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| Feb-02-23 | | goodevans: Honestly! If Morphy had offered me a free rook I'd have thought twice about taking it. Or was it considered impolite in those days to decline his sacrifices? |
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Feb-02-23
| | Teyss: <goodevans> Especially since White had 13.Bg5!? Qxg5 (Qg6? 14.Nxe5) 14.Nxg5 Bxd1 15.Bxa8 Be2 16.cxd4 (if the R moves, d3!) Bxf1 17.Kxf1 and Black is only slightly better (-0.3 at 34 ply). 
click for larger view<MissScarlett> Not the first time a pun is reused, sometimes with variations, for instance recently M Warmerdam vs J Pechac, 2023 and V Litvinov vs Veresov, 1958. Don't know about this unicity rule TBH, is it really set in stone? If it is, dear users here is the link to all indexed pun (I recently realised it is still updated, so don't know if others also knew about it): Game Collection: Game of the Day 2023. Missy, thanks for compiling it now (can't believe I'm saying this). However if we get rid of the rule we could have "Safety Pin" for all games involving any sort of pin, which would cover at least a third of the 1.4m games. "Hot Shower, Cold Shower" for another third. And "King/Queen for a day" for the rest. It would greatly simplify your job. |
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Feb-02-23
| | FSR: <MissScarlett: How soon indeed: Keres vs C Barnes, 1975> That one used the word "and," this one uses an ampersand. Completely different. |
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| Feb-06-23 | | stst: Agree with FSR.
Beyond Fischer, Morphy's the one that I consider an American Immortal. Along with Capablanca, Tal, or perhaps Alekhine the genuine geniuses of Caissa - Raw Talent, nothing added. |
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Feb-06-23
 | | Dionysius1: Hurray! Another game that made me laugh out loud!
click for larger viewThere was me thinking 17.Qxf6 would solve all White's problems. The usual reason for laughter I suppose - complete surprise where fear isn't involved? |
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Feb-06-23
| | Dionysius1: A better pun than I thought. If I remember from the days when I studied law, Barnes v Morphy would have been read out loud as Barnes AND Morphy |
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Jan-02-25
| | jnpope: The <British Chess Magazine>, v13 n9, September 1893, pp390-391, attacks the game as being modified in <Brentano's Chess Monthly> and based upon those modifications that the game isn't a true Morphy game. However, the game in <Brentano's> is the same as the one given in the original source: <Vom Fels zum Meer>, October 1881, p121. The modified version is the one the <BCM> was calling the "original" which appears to have been a modified version created by W. J. De Armas for a book he was writing according to the <Albany Evening Journal>, 1893.05.27, which printed the game with the weaker transposition of moves, 6...Ba5 7.O-O b5 8.Bb3 d6 9.d4 Bg4 10.c3 exd4, and included the early termination with 26.Kh2 stating "and Black forces mate in five moves" (both of which Mason had offered up as evidence of it not being a true Morphy game). So Mason's "evidence" of this not being a Morphy game due to it being "corrected" to fix some supposed errors is just BS due to a lack of research on the part of the <BCM> as to which version was actually the original version! Not to mention that the game was published during Morphy's lifetime (including in the <St. Louis Globe-Democrat>, 1881.11.13, p11). I suspect it is a true Morphy game as no protest was lodged by Morphy and I'm fairly confident Morphy would have known about it's publication by Maurian who was a correspondent with the editor of the <St. Louis Globe-Democrat> meaning that Maurian was receiving that newspaper for chess news so it would have been "known" to at least Maurian who was still in contact with Morphy. |
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