|Nov-20-04|| ||Jaymthegenius: Greco has really duped this patzer! You have to give NN credit, as this is 400 years before petrov |
|Nov-20-04|| ||SBC: .|
The Petrov Defense was named after Alexander Petrov (the correct spelling, I've been told, of Petroff) - 1794-1867
...and not after Vladimir Petrov, the 20th centruy player who died during WWII. - 1908-1943
This game was played about 200 years before Petroff presented his analysis (in 1832) of the opening that bears his name. (even if it had been the later Petrov, it would have been only 300 years).
I think more credit would have to be given to Greco who also pre-dated the analysis, yet who could see many of its tactical elements than to the NN who apparently couldn't.
|Oct-20-05|| ||DeepBlade: Nice fork, I love the way Greco fixes the fork after ''forcing'' the Queen to take the Bishop.|
|Feb-15-06|| ||prinsallan: Yeah, the triple fork is beautiful. The setup of the fork is even better.|
|Nov-07-08|| ||patzer of patzers: at 13. Be3, the Queen was dead no matter what, but I think it would have been better if NN hadn't let it mess with his castling rights.|
Not that I wouldn't resign if I were playing a Queen down, with two minor pieces undeveloped, and the other one pinned.
|Dec-07-08|| ||patzer of patzers: I'll probably take that back. Who needs castling when you can get a bishop?|
|May-23-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 13 Be3!|
|Aug-26-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Petrov disputed "White should win if he plays the best moves"|
|Oct-22-09|| ||Wayne Proudlove: Wow, I am so hooked on watching these short games of Greco! They've totally changed my outlook. It's like when you fall for a woman and can't remember what you were like before meeting her.|
|Oct-22-09|| ||MaxxLange: NN held on as long as he could. Leave him alone!|
|Aug-30-11|| ||ColeTrane: how NOT to play as black, but really pretty anyways|
|Mar-22-12|| ||Ziryab: Remarkably, this game is identical to one attributed to Damiano, except that Greco's is one move longer. Of course, none of Greco's games were from actual play, but were constructed to instruct. Nor were his constructions necessarily original.|
|Apr-18-12|| ||Nightsurfer: Hello dear <Ziryab>, thank you for pointing out to the fact that this game here <Gioachino Greco vs NN, 1620> "... is ..." almost "... identical to one attributed to Damiano ...", and you are probably thinking of P Damiano vs NN, 1497!|
Therefore one can safely assume that <Gioachino Greco> has probably copied the foregoing game P Damiano vs NN, 1497 since that very game P Damiano vs NN, 1497 has been played 123 years before this game here <Gioachino Greco vs NN, 1620>, please compare the corresponding assessment that has been published on April 18th, 2012, by the author of these lines here, namely by <nightsurfer> . :-)
|Apr-19-12|| ||thomastonk: <Ziryab: Of course, none of Greco's games were from actual play, ...>
You are generally right, but there are probably a few exceptions.|
Please have a look at this game: NN vs Greco, 1620. It is quite untypical for the collections Greco made, and I have read that it appeared only once.
|Apr-19-12|| ||Nightsurfer: Hello <thomastonk>, I think that you have got a point - by suggesting that this game here <Gioachino Greco vs NN, 1620> might not be a fabrication but that this game here <Gioachino Greco vs NN, 1620> might have been the result of a real encounter on a real board.|
And the fact that this game here <Gioachino Greco vs NN, 1620> looks similar to P Damiano vs NN, 1497 does NOT PROVE that <Maestro G.Greco> might just have copied the foregoing game P Damiano vs NN, 1497 that has been played for real 123 years ago at Rome.
This game here <Gioachino Greco vs NN, 1620> might just have been a replay of P Damiano vs NN, 1497 - and that could have happened that way that <Maestro G.Greco> had probably studied the foregoing game P Damiano vs NN, 1497 (since the foregoing game P Damiano vs NN, 1497 had been played 123 years ago, therefore it is safe to assume that <Maestro G.Greco> had known the matrix of the foregoing game) and that he had chosen his moves according to the foregoing game P Damiano vs NN, 1497 whilst <Maestro G.Greco>'s opponent had not known the foregoing game P Damiano vs NN, 1497, thus <Maestro G.Greco>'s opponent had committed the same blunders as the Commander-in-chief of Black army 123 years ago at Rome.
Corresponding cases of stunning replays are more likely than one might assume. Just have a look at the rather crazy case of the game R Gralla vs S Stojanovic, 2008 that has been (more or less) a funny replay of Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858 - exactly 150 years (!) post festum! :-)
|Jan-18-18|| ||Sergash: It seems that this is the oldest written game in which we see the Petroff Defense, though I am sure it was played even 100 years earlier than that! It is so natural and logical: White attacks Black's 'e' pawn and Black replies by doing the same! Basic symmetry.|
Since the game G Perigal vs Saint Amant, 1843, we know the stronger move 5...d6! instead of <5...Nxe4?!> which is called the Damiano variation because, I assume, Damiano mentioned it in his book?
<6...f6??> is a losing move. Black had to play 6...dxe5 7.dxe5 Nc6 ⩲ Kholmov vs A Belousov, 1974
<7.f4?> Here, Greco missed a very strong opportunity. White gets a winning position after 7.Nc3! dxe5 8.Nd5! (D. Hoffman vs. B. J. Fernandez, Boca Championship (Brazil) 1997, round 1, 1-0) Qf7 9.dxe5 f5 10.e6! Bxe6 11.Nxc7! Qxc7 12.Qxe6+ Qe7 13.Bc4+- Stockfish 8 - 64 bits POPCNT.
<7...Nd7?! 8.Nc3! ±> Better is 7...dxe5! (David Pires Tavares Martins (1802) vs. Oliver Rey Estevez, 18th Burgas Open in Ourense (Spain) 2009, round 1, 1-0) 8.dxe5! Qb4+ 9.Qxb4 Bxb4+ 9.c3 Bc5 10.exf6 Kf7!? (or 10...gxf6 11.b4 Bb6 ±) 11.fxg7 Re8+ 12.Kd1 Nc6 ± Stockfish 8 - 64 bits POPCNT.
<8...dxe5? 9.Nd5!+-> Better is 8...fxe5 9.fxe5 (or 9.dxe5) dxe5 10.Nd5 Nf6▢ 11.Nxe7 Nxe4 12.Nxc8 Rxc8 13.Bd3 Nf6 14.dxe5 Nd5 (14...Nd7 15.0-0 ±) 15.Rf1 ± Stockfish 8 - 64 bits POPCNT.
<9...Qd6?> After this move, Black's position is hopeless. Better is 9...f5 10.Qd3! Qd8+- Stockfish 8 - 64 bits POPCNT.
|Sep-22-18|| ||Yigor: It just repeats the game Damiano-NN (1497), gid=1336243.|