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Vladimir Kramnik vs NN
Paris Arthur Andersen sim 30' (1999), Mar-14
English Opening: Symmetrical. Four Knights Variation (A30)  ·  1-0


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Jul-31-06  adept: haay EGGMAN;
you are really a silly:D:D:D
Jul-31-06  Tariqov: I definitely agree with <pittpanther> that Ne6 is better (i chose Ne6! too :) ), <phony> i don't think after 14.Rxe6+Be7 is there a mate?nope, it just to see which move gets the most material advantage and i vote for 14.Nxe6!!,"When you see a good move, wait! don't play it,you might find a better one"
Jul-31-06  Yogi1991: who is actually this guy NN......very strange indeed....i mean his games are finished in around 15-20 moves only....(generally)
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  Phony Benoni: <Tarigov>I don't think there's a forced mate, but White always ends up with at least queen and bishop for rook. For instance, after 14.Rxe6+ Be7 15.Rxe7+ Kf8, White plays 16.Qh5, threatening mate on f7. After 16...g6 (what else?), he has 17.Qxg6! Since 17...fxg6 allows mate (18.Ne6+ Kg8 19.Rg7#), Black would have to go in for 17...Qxe7 18.fxe7+.

After 14.Nxe6, White seems to get "only" a queen for the rook.

Of course, all this is kind of irrelevant since both moves win.

Jul-31-06  sataranj: a cinch
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  keypusher: NN's pace of improvement since Greco's time is glacial at best.
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  Marmot PFL: Black paid to play a simul, so naturally he had to play 15...g6 and get his money's worth.
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  kevin86: Dog GORN IT!!! I'm another of the 14 ♘xe6 club-should have known that the finish would be easier. A knight move of this vein usually would be in a Tuesday or Wednesday puzzle.

I missed a fool's mate! Does that make me a fool?

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  YouRang: Pretty easy. Of course, on Monday's, we've been trained to look at forcing rook & queen sacs, because that's usually the winning move.

We're kind of like Pavlov's dogs. :-)

Jul-31-06  TheSlid: Hee hee, NN playing in the Arthur Andersen Simul - that really is ironic.

(Accounting humour)

Jul-31-06  greensfield: 14. Rxe6+ forces black to expose e8/h5 diag for simple mating attack from Queen. Easy one
Jul-31-06  square dance: <eggman> ok thanks. i was just wondering how old kramnik was in his bullying days. ;-)
Jul-31-06  zb2cr: Saw both the Rook and Knight sacrifice. Decided on the Rook sac. If Black plays 14. ... Be7, White can play 15. Nf5! and his Rook is still immune, since 15. ... fxe6; 16. Qh5+, Kf8; 17. fxg7+, Kg8 (forced); 18. gxh8=Q+, Kxh8; 19. Qxh6+, Kg8; 20. Qg7#.

I can't find a halfway decent defense for Black.

a. 15. ... g6; 16. Nxd6+, Kf8; 17.fxe7+ wins Black's Queen.

b. 15. ... Nf8; 16. Nxd6+, Kd7 ( if 16. ... Qxd6; 17. Qxd6 and mate within a couple of moves ); 18. Nxb7+, Kc7 ( if 18. ... Kxe6; 19. Qg4+, Kxf6; 20. Ne4#); 19. Nxd8, Rxd8; 20. Rxe7+, Rd7; 21. Rxd7+, Nxd7; 22. Nb5+, Kc8; 23. Qd6 and Black can't stop mate.

Jul-31-06  zb2cr: So the Rook sac may be more forcing after all.
Aug-01-06  Marco65: 11...h6 doens't make any sense and it's the start of the end, but it's not easy to find a decent alternative.

The natural 11...Be7 loses a piece immediately by 12.e5 Bxg2 13.exf6.

Probably best is trying to prevent e5 by 11...e5, although Black loses a pawn in the complications IMHO:

11...e5 12.Nf5 Nc5 13.Nb5 Ncxe4 14.Nbxd6+! Nxd6 15.Nxd6+ Bxd6 16.Bxb7 Rb8 17.Bc6+ Kf8 18.fxe5 Bc5+ 19.Be3

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  gawain: Since you asked, <Jahhaj>.

The green knight came into Arthur's hall and asked any one of his knights to trade blows. Gawain accepted this challenge and he was allowed to strike first. He cut off the Green Knight's head. The latter calmly picked it up and told Gawain to meet him on New Year's Morning for his turn.

Intriguing, eh?

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  gawain: By the way I am not the strong young chessplayer Gawain Jones.

I am neither strong nor young. When I chose my identity I was dimly aware of him but simply did not think things through.

Very sorry if anyone has been misled--and my apologies to Mr Jones for this completely unintentional identity theft. I hope it has not caused him any embarrassment. He is member <VerdeNotte>

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  patzer2: With 14. Rxe6+!, White's sham sacrifice leads to mate-in-three. It's not exactly a Boden's mate, though the pattern of the King being checkmated following a piece sacrifice on an open and vulnerable diagonal is very similar.
Apr-20-07  evenua: Just solved the 'guess-the-move' puzzle of this game! This new feature looks pretty kool. Keep up the good job, CG! =)
Apr-29-07  chessamateur: 12. e5 is very nice move by Kramnik.
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  BlueMooner: It seems to me that 4...b6 was the start of black's woes and White's plan of attack was focused almost exclusivley around utilising the powerful h1-a8 diagonal to excellent effect in the attack. The combination e5, Rxe6 & Qh5# was the reward for Kramnik's excellent strategy. Is 4...b6 a normal variation in the English Defence? Obviously 4...g6 followed by a kingside finachetto is the normal book move from the Symmetrical Variation, English Defence & 4...b6 appeared to be a disaster waiting to happen therefore surely it cannot be the a valid variation can it?
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  Jim Bartle: The Arthur Andersen simul? Don't think we'll be seeing that again, since AA was Enron's accounting firm and collapsed along with Enron...
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  Penguincw: A rather quick game.
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  Jim Bartle: Arthur Andersen hasn't been sponsoring chess tournaments recently. I wonder why.
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  Phony Benoni: <JB> Things just didn't add up.
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