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| Oct-04-06 | | Hincho: <Soberknight> I totally agree with you. For the most part the games/puzzles are simply presented and any analysis is left to those who feel so disposed. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | aktajha: I (of course) saw bxf7 kxf7 qh4+; and thought...if white brings more pieces in, he might mate him there. Then I looked the other way around; what could I play to defend the position and after a while saw Qd5!....Was this puzzle meant as a spoiler, or is it just a coincidence? |
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| Oct-04-06 | | mdz: <Chris1Clark> Black does not have to take the rook: 15. Nf6+ Bxf6 16. Rxf6 Bd7! 17. Raf1 Bc6 18. R1f2 Qe4 19. d3 Qe1+ 20. Rf1 Qe3+ 21. R6f2 Nxc2  White is lost |
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| Oct-04-06 | | TrueBlue: got it! 3/3 for this week! When I saw move 12, I knew white couldn't possibly have an attack and he didn't. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | DexterGordon: <Chris1Clark> and <Hincho>, even if Black does take the rook, I don't think there's a mate if he puts the King at h7. 14...Qd5 15. Nf6+ Bxf6 16. Rxf6 gxf6 17. Qg4+ Kh7 18. exf6 Rg8 and then? White just seems down a piece and a rook to me. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | DexterGordon: In addition to 14...Qd5, does 14...f5 also save Black? I was looking at 15. exf6 Bxf6 16. Nxf6+ gxf6 17. Rf3 Rf7, when White certainly has an attack, but no mate that I can see. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | hanstholmhavn: Does anyone know why it is called a "Greek gift sacrifice"? As i recall it the greek gave the troyans a HORSE filled with warriors who lurked out at night. Would not it be more appropriate to use this name for a knight sacrifice? |
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| Oct-04-06 | | YouRang: Well, 12. Bxh7+ Kxh7 13. Qh5+ Kg8 was the first and only line I looked at. I even considered following up with knight to e4 and to f6. But I couldn't prove that it worked because Black had so many options -- and 14...Nxc2 surely wasn't among the best. So, I didn't 'get' it, but I'm gratified that it apparently wasn't a forced win anyway as <chessmoron> and others pointed out: e.g. 14...Qd5! So, until proven otherwise, I'm going to discount this puzzle, and consider myself 2-for-2. :-) Too bad, because it was a nifty maneuver by White -- but Black clearly didn't see the danger, and played as such. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | kevin86: At first,I thought that it was another BxP+ KxB N-N5+ oops game. Then I saw that white won the actual game-but that black didn't play his best. Evidently at best,the conclusion is unclear-and at least the idea that this game is a double reverse is busted. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | ganesh957: Didn't find anything convincing, and relieved to see that it is because there was nothing convincing to find. Nxc2 doesn't make any sense. |
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Oct-04-06
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<[W]e occasionally show a puzzle that we call a spoiler. These are positions where there is no move that clearly wins the game, but instead a variety of solid moves which are all playable. Usually these positions present the lure of a sacrifice which is unsound. You are expected to recognize the unsoundness of the tempting sacrifice and instead conclude that the best move is one of the "quiet" moves. We show spoilers from time to time because it encourages people to think combinations all the way through, instead of simply finding a move which looks like it initiates an attack, without considering the defenses.> Daily Puzzle F.A.Q. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | ForeverYoung: 12 Bxh7+ Kxh7 13 Qh5+ Kg8 came to me readily, but I missed the followup moves. Nice work by white and a very nice attack and enjoyable to play through to see how white brought it home! |
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| Oct-04-06 | | alphee: A frequent move after ♕h5+ ♔g8 is ♖f3 followed by ♖h3 but this sequence does not work here because of the Queen and Bishop battery. Took me some time to find 15. ♘f6 ♗xf6. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | arifattar: <[W]e occasionally show a puzzle that we call a spoiler. These are positions where there is no move that clearly wins the game, but instead a variety of solid moves which are all playable. Usually these positions present the lure of a sacrifice which is unsound. You are expected to recognize the unsoundness of the tempting sacrifice and instead conclude that the best move is one of the "quiet" moves. We show spoilers from time to time because it encourages people to think combinations all the way through, instead of simply finding a move which looks like it initiates an attack, without considering the defenses.> Nice thing to fall back on. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | handro1104: I mean what about 14 Rf3? |
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| Oct-04-06 | | jahhaj: <Today's puzzle is a spoiler> Trouble is whenever I see a Greek Gift sacrifice here I think 'spoiler!'. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | jahhaj: <what about 14.Rf3?> It's too slow. Black can play Qxd2 followed by Qh6 to defend the king side. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | VanPoolPlayer: Keep up all of the great comments, especially the strategy comments. I have learned as much from the Kibitzes as from the puzzles. I pass this wisdom on to other van pool players. (after I use it to beat them) From today's ride home game:
End game (especially with exposed Kings):
1 Queen beats 2 rooks.
Worst case: achieve a draw through perpetual check. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | aazqua: The only problem I have with this puzzle is that the solution to every puzzle that involves the french is b*h7 ch followed by the queen. If you play the french, you must anticipate this combination. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | aazqua: Van pool. You are wrong on that. There's actually an excellent grandmaster game (HELP SOMEONE, FIND THE GAME, maybe Kramnik) where the player with the two rooks uses them to dominate the board and win. Very instructive. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | cotdt: Spoilers are fine but when none of the moves gain a definate advantage, it's quite a pointless puzzle. I think this one is lame. |
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| Oct-04-06 | | aazqua: Found it! Leko Kramnik 2004 champ, Kramnik wins beautifully. Clearly the pawns determine the superior side. Great commentary on the game from Keane.
Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 |
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| Oct-04-06 | | LivBlockade: Another problem with <14. Rf3> might be 14...Qd4+ followed by ...Qh4. I also saw 14. Ne4 Qd5 and thought this was likely a spoiler. |
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| Oct-05-06 | | Terry McCracken: After 14...Qd5 15. Rf4!! and Black is lost. Try it;) |
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| Oct-05-06 | | Terry McCracken: Sorry, 15. Rf4! only draws after 15...Nxc2 16. Rg4...Nd4 17. Rxg7+ etc. |
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