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Vilhelm Nielsen vs Charles Frederick Delcomyn
corr (1894) (correspondence), ?
Danish Gambit: Accepted (C21)  ·  1-0


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Apr-17-14  legi: How about 26. ♖xf7?
Looks crushing, isn't it?
Apr-17-14  mrbasso: Now this is obvious. 25.Ka1! underlines the hopelessness of Black's position and forces him to resign immediately.
Apr-17-14  morfishine: Throw a dart, everything wins
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  Penguincw: I guess 25.Qxe4 wouldn't work out.
Apr-17-14  landogriffin: Yeah, difficulty here is that there's so many appealing options for white: ♗xf7+, ♖xg4 or maybe even ♖xf5 with lots ot tactics to follow.

Personally I went for 25. ♗xf7+ and, as per <Once>'s comments, am going to give myself half marks.

As an aside, I seem to be in the situation a lot these days where I see all of the moves (/ideas), but end up playing them in the subobtimal sequence... :/

Apr-17-14  goodevans: <legi: How about 26.Rxf7? Looks crushing, isn't it?>

I went for <25.Rxg4 fxg4 26.Rxf7> too. If then <26...d5> white can capture e.p. to renew the many threats.

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  patzer2: <Once> For the uninitiated and the forgetful, such as myself, could you please spell out and explain the meaning of the acronym GOOT?
Apr-17-14  Rookiepawn: < An Englishman> Good afternoon; yes, it seems one of those experimental inspirations. Looks pretty hypermodern, with those sided Ns and strange fianchetto.

Total failure of course, but who knows, maybe a young Reti discovered it in some old magazine and thought "hey, this has to work..."

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  patzer2: <morfishine: Throw a dart, everything wins> Pretty much! The only concern is being too passive and letting Black's pawn majority come into play in the endgame.

P.S.: I found myself spending more time trying to find a saving move for Black.

Apr-17-14  Rookiepawn: <patzer2> I'll never understand why English leads people to acronyms all the time. As an English student I felt many times frustrated to realize English is not enough, you need to know the subject, and put some imagination.

Of course in many languages you have slang, fashionable terms, popular fancy, jargons... In English you have all that, plus acronyms.

Btw (by the way), imho (in my humble opinion) you mean GOTD, Game Of The Day. GOOT, I have no idea (Game Of Old Times?)

Apr-17-14  diagonalley: <once> ... yeah i also went for 25 BxP+ followed up with RxN .... maybe not as strong as the played line but seemed to be adequately winning
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  Sally Simpson: GOOT.

a Gibbosity Of Outlandish Tactics.

It's term I use every day.

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  johnlspouge: GOOT = Get Out Of That©

It's a <Once>-ism, origins lost in time!

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  kevin86: I saw that one coming. BTW, white really needed a lot of guts to play the Danish and then castle on the queenside.
Apr-17-14  BOSTER: I'd prefer to have such pos. as POTD.

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White to play 22.
At least here you can learn a lot of tactics.

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  agb2002: White has the bishop pair for two knights and four pawns.

Black threatens 25... Nd2+.

The pawn on f5 protects both knights. This suggests 25.Rxg4 or 25.Rxf5.

In the case of 25.Rxg4:

A) 25... fxg4 26.Bxf7+

A.1) 26... Kf8 27.Bxe8+ Kxe8 28.Qxe4 gxh3 29.e6 d5 30.Qh7 looks winning.

A.2) 26... Kg7 27.e6+ Kf8 (27... Kh7 28.Qxe4+ and mate next) 28.Qxe4 looks disasterous for Black.

A.3) 26... Kh8 27.e6+ wins.

A.3) 26... Kh7 27.Qxe4+ transposes to previous lines.

B) 25... Nd2+ 26.Qxd2 fxg4 27.Bxf7+ looks similar to previous lines.


In the case of 25.Rxf5 Qxf5 26.Rxg4+ Kf8 (26... Kh8(7) 27.Bxf7 threatening e6 or Bg6) 27.Bd3 (27.Rxe4 d5; 27.Qxe4 Qxe4+ 28.Rxe4 d5) seems to be a bit slow.


I think I'd play 25.Rxg4.

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  LucB: I tried 25.Bxf7+, 25.Qxe4 and got nowhere. I even tried the game move, 25.Rxg4, and still got nowhere.. Oh well!
Apr-17-14  waustad: It looks like I sacked the wrong rook, in my mind's eye.
Apr-17-14  morfishine: <patzer2> I was in the same boat as <Patriot> "seeing all kinds of candidates" plus I was short of time this morning.

I did spend some time on "windmills" and discovered checks. For example, I became intrigued with 25.Qxe4 fxe4 26.Rxf7

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Also interesting, at least to me, is:

25.hxg4 Nd2+ 26.Qxd2 Qxd2 27.gxf5+

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Positions like this are highly beneficial to the student, offering the chance to explore different variations


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  patzer2: <morfishine> My easily calculated first choice was 25. Bxf7+! Kxf7 26. Qxe4 , winning a piece and a pawn and exposing the Black King to a decisive attack.

The game move (also the strongest move) 25. Rxg4! which wins two pieces and a pawn for the exchange was my second choice, but only because it takes longer to calculate.

Fritz 12 indicates 25.Qxe4? fxe4 26.Rxf7 fails to 26...Nxe5! , while 25.hxg4 Nd2+ 26. Ka1! Nxf1 27. Rxf1 f4! 28. Qc3! gives White only a slight edge.

Passive play by White, such as after 25. a3? Nd2+ 26. Ka2 Nxf1 27. Bxf1 h5! 28. , allows Black to get his passed pawns rolling and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Apr-17-14  vajeer: <goodevans: <legi: How about 26.Rxf7? Looks crushing, isn't it?>

I went for <25.Rxg4 fxg4 26.Rxf7> too. If then <26...d5> white can capture e.p. to renew the many threats.>

After 26. Rxf7 Re6
27. Rxd7 Qg6
28. Bxe6+ Qxe6
I do not see a clear win for white. I may have missed a better continuation though.

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  Check It Out: GOOT = Get Out Of Town, maybe?
Apr-18-14  Cheapo by the Dozen: Ah. I missed the Bf6+ fork.
Apr-18-14  goodevans: <vajeer:... After 26. Rxf7 Re6 27. Rxd7 Qg6 28. Bxe6+ Qxe6 I do not see a clear win for white.>

The immediate 28.Bxe6+ isn't necessary since both black's R and his N are pinned. White must be careful to avoid the tricky ...Nd2+ by tucking his K in the corner after which black once again has many problems to solve.

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  patzer2: <johnlspouge: GOOT = Get Out Of ThatŠ It's a <Once>-ism, origins lost in time!> Thanks!
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