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| percyblakeney: <cade> I think 27. Qg2 would be even better for white in your line, but after 26. Qd2 Fritz likes Bxg3 better than Bc5. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| Shams: <Baverstock> 25...Rf2 just gives white lots of options, for example 26.c5! (which is met in the text by 26...Bxg3 and black wins) after which black can take on f2 and meet the discovered check by Bd5. white could very well have better, of course. |
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Dec-04-04
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| euripides: If 25...Rf2 White can defend by 26 c5 Qh3 27 Bxf2 e3+ 28 Bd5. White might also have tried 26 c5 after 25...Qh3 in the game, but then 26..Bxg3 looks fatal. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| Shams: euripides, I`m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn`t see my post before you threw up yours ;) |
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Dec-04-04
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| euripides: <Shams> Indeed I didn't - the page can change while one's writing one's message. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| Shams: yes I know I just thought it was funny that we made exactly the same points...no more and no less. at any rate now I won`t go down alone if our analysis is wrong. |
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Dec-04-04
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| kevin86: A really nice combination! I have some problems with the long,drawn out combinations-but that's my fault. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| Reisswolf: And yet another demonstration of the perfectly playable nature of the Marshall. Very nice combinations. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| JBFelo: At first I thought 25.Rf2 will win, then I saw Shams comment and start to analize 26c5 Qf5 with the idea ...Qf3-Qg2. Again it seems to me that 25.Rf2 is the strongest move. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| boobsmacfadin: do you see 25...Bxg3 as leading to a win aswell, or am i missing something? |
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Dec-04-04
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| tpstar: 25 ... Bxg3?? 26. Qxd7 is decisive. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| cade: 25 ... Bxg3 just leads to the immediate loss of the black queen with no counterplay. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| Baverstock: <Shams> I think 25...Rf2 26. c5 (your clever suggestion) Qh3 still gives Black a splendid game, with 27. Bxf2 e3+ 28. Bd5 exf2 29. Rf1 Bxg3. Looks like there's no good defence to mate on h2. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| weirdoid: Perhaps naive question, but (25 ... Rf2) what if 26. Kg1? |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| Baverstock: <weirdoid> That's an interesting question! After 25...Rf2 26. Kg1, Black has yet another variation on the winning theme with 26...Qh3 27. Bxf2 e3 28. Qd5 exf2+ 29. Kxf2 Qxh2+ with loss of queen and game to follow. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| weirdoid: <Baverstock> Thanks!
But why not 27. Kxf2? Black seems winning at any case, but may it prolong or complicate the game? |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| weirdoid: Ok dok - I think after 27. Kxf2, I could see Qxh2+ (if Rf8+ then Ke2), 28. Kf1 Rf8+ 29. Bf2 Bxg3 30. Ke2 Bxf2 (if Rxf2+ then Kd1). This seems winning as well - so we have two solutions to the puzzle. |
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| Dec-04-04 |
| RisingChamp: easy for a Sunday puzzle I saw till e3+ and concluded this must be winning for black. |
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| Dec-05-04 |
| Shams: <Baverstock, JBFelo> nice work, guys. 25...Rf2 26.c5 looks to be insufficient to save white`s bacon, either against 26...Qh3 or ...Qf5. I hate to use the "F" word, but I do wonder what Fritz thinks is black`s best 25th move. Anyone? |
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Dec-05-04
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| percyblakeney: My Fritz chooses 25. ... Rf2 (expecting 26. Rf1) ahead of Qh3. |
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| Dec-05-04 |
| Shams: <percyblakeney> 26.Rf1 Raf8 and white is no closer to defending, right? Is there any defense? Can you tell us which mates quicker at least, 25...Rf2 or ...Qh3? :) |
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Dec-05-04
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| percyblakeney: <Shams> All I can say is that Fritz doesn't fear 25. ... Rf2 26.Rf1 Raf8 27.Rxf2 Rxf2 28.Kg1 Rxb2 29.Rd1 Qh3 30.Rd2 Rxb3 31.Qxd6 all that much, but black is of course clearly better. Personally I'd probably manage to avoid winning as black whether I played 25. ... Qh3 or Rf2. :) |
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| Dec-06-04 |
| Baverstock: <percyblakeney> Fritz gives a solid line but underestimates 28...Qh3 (instead of the materialistic 28...Rxb2). White reaches an endgame with R and B against Black's Q and B; even his two extra pawns fall quickly. Although the position is complex, I think 25...Rf2 is possibly "cleaner" than 25...Qh3. |
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| Dec-06-04 |
| Shams: <Baverstock> I think Fritz is correct to shun 28...Qh3. After 29. Kxf2 white keeps his a1 rook (and would, I believe, even without the back-rank mate threat) and his king walks to safety. |
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Aug-07-06
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| plang: A great win for the Marshall. 19..Nf4 was an inovation that seems to cause white a lot of problems. Khalifman's final combination starting with 25 ..Qh3 is really pretty. He suggests declining the sacrifice with 26 Qd2 although he shows that, even then, black has a large advantage. He missed 31..h5 which would have been an even prettier conclusion but this did not stop him from winning easily. |
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sac: 22...Nxf2+
