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| Dec-29-04 | | Hidden Skillz: the old man can still do it.. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | pkjohn146: Way to go Viktor!!! I knew you would win this one, no offense to Magnus. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | BradMajors: did magnus lose on time? |
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| Dec-29-04 | | yoozum: korchnoi put this upstart in place. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | e4Newman: Have these 2 never meet in competition before now? I see this is the only meeting in the chessgames database. |
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Dec-29-04
 | | Ron: I don't think Magnus lost on time; it seems that Korchnoi has an objectively won position, he can soon force a trade of rooks, and eventually push his pawns with king assistance.
I might get back to this for a more thorough study of the position. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | iron maiden: It was probably a lost position for Magnus, but he doesn't pull very many early resignations. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | acirce: How do you plan to <force a trade of rooks>? It's pretty clear Magnus did not resign here, so probably a loss on time. I think the position is drawn. 40..Rb6 41.Kc3 Ra6 42.Rd5+ Kc6 43.Rd8 (43.Kb3 Rb6+ 44.Kc2 Ra6 45.Kb2 Rb6+ etc; 43.Rd2 Kc5) Rxa2 44.Rg8 g5 45.fxg5 (45.Rf8 gxf4) fxg5 46.Rg6+ Kc7 47.Rxg5 Rxh2 seems to me as the best White can try but it draws too. Even if I have missed something it is very unlikely that Magnus should resign before the loss is unavoidable. A real pity to lose in such a way after having fought so well in a difficult endgame. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | yoozum: i don't know if this has any significance, but just before magnus resigned, playchess added about 50 minutes to each player's time, so it seems rather strange that he resigned due to time trouble. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | acirce: Confirmed. The official site says Magnus lost on time because he had missed out a line in his scoresheet by mistake and therefore thought he had already made 40 moves. Korchnoi agreed with me that the final position couldn't be won. What a tragedy! :-( |
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| Dec-29-04 | | iron maiden: Then that makes two heartbreaks in two days for Magnus, after his missed win against Lie. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | yoozum: cheer up! magnus is young yet and he'll have plenty of opportunities in the future, unlike korchnoi. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | iron maiden: Not the way he's been playing lately. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | pkjohn146: <acirce> Korchnoi agreed with you? You know him? |
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| Dec-29-04 | | maoam: <pkjohn146: <acirce> Korchnoi agreed with you? You know him?> Both Acirce and Korchnoi thought the ending was drawn. Therefore they agree. He doesn't mean that he had an actual discussion with Korchnoi. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | acirce: You got that right <maoam>. :-) |
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| Dec-30-04 | | pkjohn146: <acirce> <maoam> I was just being goofy. I do think its a shame that the game ended as it did. I was hoping for Korchnoi to get a clean win. |
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| Dec-30-04 | | platonov: I met with Magnus almost a year ago, when he was only a strong IM, in Hungary, in the First Saturday tournament. He immediately became my fovourite, with his boyish face and with his grandmaster-level play. Later I saw him taking off his shoes without using his hands against Nigel Short :))) To lost on time because of this kind of error -- is such a childish thing i like him for! Now it is historical, that Lajos Portisch had the same mistake once against a FIDE-master, because of the scoresheet: that paper's rows were so dense that the 8-time-world championship candidate wrote one move into two gaps! His opponent did the same so the grandmaster was outfoxed by this devilish trick and lost on time after 39 moves... |
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Dec-30-04
| | Ron: My second post did not go through.
I now agree that the end game is drawn. |
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Dec-30-04
 | | beatgiant: <Ron>:
<the end game is drawn.>I believe White still has winning chances. He must first mitigate the weakness of the a-pawn. For example, 40...Rb6+ 41. Kc3 Ra6 42. Rb2 Re6 43. a4 Ra6 44. Rb5+ Kc6 45. a5 Kc7 46. f5 g5 47. Kd4 etc., gradually pushing Black back. <Ron>, I see from your profile that you are "engaged in computer chess researches." Many of us might be interested in hearing about this. Could you post something about it (a pointer to your papers, etc.) in The Kibitzer's Café? |
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| Dec-30-04 | | notsodeepthought: Obviously Korchnoi was under no obligation to alert Carlsen about the approaching time limit; still, it would have been a nice gesture had he done so. I wonder what the reaction (if any) in the GM community - or the chess community in general - will be in this regard. |
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| Dec-30-04 | | acirce: <I believe White still has winning chances. He must first mitigate the weakness of the a-pawn. For example, 40...Rb6+ 41. Kc3 Ra6 42. Rb2 Re6 43. a4 Ra6 44. Rb5+ Kc6 45. a5 Kc7 46. f5 g5 47. Kd4 etc., gradually pushing Black back.> 42..Ra3+ wins the a- or c-pawn. |
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| Dec-30-04 | | JohnBoy: <beatgiant> - It seema that black has a significant improvement on your line. If 40...Rb6+ 41.Kc3 Ra6 42.Rb2, black should play 42...Ra3+. This will either pick up the a or the c pawn. in either case, whites chances for a +1 aree seriously compromised. (mind you, I'm on my second evening glass-o-vino...) |
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| Dec-30-04 | | JohnBoy: <acirce> - I've wanted to contradict you for a long time - just for fun. Seems like we agree here... :-) |
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Dec-30-04
| | beatgiant: <acirce>, <JohnBoy>: You are right, I missed 42...Ra3+ in my line. Which wise man once said "All rook endings are drawn"? |
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