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Veselin Topalov vs Garry Kasparov
XXII Torneo Ciudad de Linares 2005  ·  Sicilian Defense: Old Sicilian. General (B30)  ·  1-0


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Feb-20-07   Tacticstudent: It must have been a very difficult game for Topalov psichologically talking.
Mar-04-07   argishti: 24. d5?? this was the mistake i believe, his last game, and a lost...so passionately he resigned.
Mar-04-07   russep: the mistake as I see it is not playing 19..dxc3 or Nc6
May-08-08   shahjinan: <MagnaPsygnosis: <morpstau> Interresting point u got there.
I Agree that Kasparov is far more superior than Fischer...but how does he compare with Lasker.... Curious...>

Came out of it dude..u r comparing apples with oranges..Fischer who changed the way of playing chess...and was father of Modern chess..

all you can say is..Fischer was the creator of modern chess school..where Kasparov was the best principal....

May-08-08   shahjinan: I found the winning move after what black will be defeated....I seen the expression of Garry in the video at the end of the game... and got the move...

The key move to win is...after any move of black king, White will play h4...after that white has clear win..Kasparov was aware that Topalov got that move and finally resigned...

May-08-08   Whitehat1963: Kasparov would CRUSH Lasker. Period. But it's not fair to compare them. Kasparov benefitted so much more from what chessplayers learned during the 40 years after Lasker's death, when Kasparov began to play in major tournaments.

As for Fischer being the "father of modern chess," I think that's an overstatement. Was Fischer really doing anything so different than Bronstein, Botvinnik, Smyslov and Keres did in the 50s? Different than Tal, Geller, Petrosian, Spassky and Larsen in the 60s? I don't think so. Fischer just worked harder, developed a bit more talent and executed more accurately.

Frankly, I don't think Fischer was doing anything very different than anyone who played at AVRO in 1938. Openings come and go with the latest fashion, and certainly there have been a few discoveries here and there in the middle and end games, but I don't think the game has changed all that much since Capablanca, Lasker, Rubinstein, Alekhine and the Hypermoderns tested and refined it in the 20s and 30s, even with the aid of strong computers and tablebase programs. Players today use more options, memorize more lines, analyze more possibilities and often play more accurately. But that's it. I don't think you can point to Fischer and say, "he changed the way chess is played." He didn't. He may, however, have changed the way chess players train and the way chess is perceived in the public. For that, he deserves kudos. But I think it's hard to argue that Fischer's contributions were more significant than those of the Soviets from the 30s to the 60s or more than the Hypermoderns in the 20s and 30s.

* Standing by for the onslaught. *

May-08-08   Riverbeast: I agree that Fischer's contributions to chess theory, while not negligible, were probably not as important as the other examples you mentioned.

However, Fischer's contributions to chess OUTSIDE of chess theory, were perhaps greater than any other single player:

1) He brought a high profile, and higher prizes, to chess

2) He got FIDE to implement a fair world championship qualifying system (which has since been scrapped, unfortunately)

3) I believe his 1992 match was the first high profile match where games would be played in a single session, without adjournments...This would become the wave of the future

4) He invented the Fischer clock, which is now commonly used in most tournaments

May-08-08   Whitehat1963: <Riverbeast> I agree with you completely.
May-15-08   shahjinan: Fischer also invented Fischer random chess.

Well "Father of Modern chess", these words are something spoken by Kasparov, Short and many other players. Fischer was way ahead than the rivals of his era...thats what make him the father of modern chess in my opinion.

Jul-10-08   waitzkinfan101: I still don't understand why kasparov resigned. Can anyone explain why it wouldn't be a draw?? Its kasparov's move so maybe check 30. h6-h5 then topalov 31. Kh3 then kasparov just keep playing until he might try to offer a draw. But i don't understand an outright resign at this point in the game.
Jul-30-08
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  Breunor: If 30. h5, White will not respond with Kh3, but rather 31 Kf4. Now Black has some problems. If he moves his king, White will penetrate via Kg5, and if he pushes his a pawn, white will do the same. He's in Zugzwang.
Aug-23-08   newzild: Yes, the point is that White will get the opposition and an entry path into black's position at some point. Eg: 30...h5+ 31.Kf4 and black is in trouble or 30...Kf7 31.h5 gh (31...g5 32.ed ed 33.Kf5 wins) 32.Kxh5 and then white simply brings up his g-pawn, exchanges it for black's h-pawn, then plays ed and races his king across to munch black's d-pawn.

So for those kibitzers saying that Kasparov resigned too soon, I disagree. If I can see the win, then I'm sure Gazza and Toppy can see it much, much faster!

waitzkinfan101: I still don't understand why kasparov resigned. Can anyone explain why it wouldn't be a draw?? Its kasparov's move so maybe check 30. h6-h5 then topalov 31. Kh3 then kasparov just keep playing until he might try to offer a draw. But i don't understand an outright resign at this point in the game.

Sep-15-08
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  Sem: I don't agree with Whitehat1963. IMO the game changed again in the seventies, when people such as Karpov, Jan Timman and Ulf Andersson started playing an opaque sort of chess. They hid their intentions better than their predecessors, which resulted in a different development of the games, which I found harder to understand than the games of Larsen, Portisch, Keres, Fischer etc. And then there was of course Duncan Suttles from Canada, who displayed a style all his own, a modern-day Reti, if you like.
Jan-10-09   Marcellus: The move of choice of the spectators, 21...Qd8, seems to give Black drawing chances after 21...Qd8 22.Nf3 Qb6+ 23.d4 Qxb2 24.Rb1 Qxc3 25.Rxb7+ Kd8 (25...Kc8 26.Rb3) 26.Rb3 Qc2, and Topalov showed us the line 21...Nxd4 22.Qxf6 Rxf6 23.cxd4 Rf3 24.Rd1 g5. For the moment all we can say is that the proverbial jury is still out on this one.
Mar-23-09   gokhan1983: Kasparov had done true.White has an awful advantage....
Jun-16-09   aspiringwriter: Gents, my two cents for this last game of Kasparov:

1) The ending is lost by Black, as White wins even after he takes Black pawn on d5, leaving his own d-pawns doubled.

2) One of Kasparov's mistakes was 14. ... Kd7. He should have played 14. ... Qb6 and then castling queenside. Analysis shows total equality in this line.

Jun-16-09   WhiteRook48: Fischer wasn't the father of modern chess- Morphy was
Aug-03-09   rubicante: I really do not know why Fischer is so popular. Tal was much better than Fischer in every way, and I believe he would still be the number one. But he has had the health problems, from that time on he starts losing to Fischer.
Aug-03-09   rubicante: if you do not know why Kasparov resigned, you should continue playing through this game and you will find out there is no chance for black.
Aug-06-09   Abdooss: In his time, Fischer was like 'the fastest gun' in the chess world, as he worked alone.. Kasparov was more like 'GI Joe' as he had one of the best team of GMs - Trainers, Researchers etc. Who's the best? It's like comparing apples and oranges. we won't have the definite answer.. both set the standard to a higher level!!
Oct-08-09   plogdin: MOVE 20, Black, Kasparov could have played Queen to F2 square and WIN the game!

Why did he not do that ?

Oct-08-09   Manic: Mar-10-05
<crafty: 19. ...Rf8 20.Nxd4 Qf2+ 21.Kh1 Rf6 22.Qa4+ Nc6=(eval -0.01; depth 12 ply; 100M nodes)>

It would not have won him the game but according to the kibitzing it seems to draw.

Oct-08-09   tacticalmonster: This pawn ending is lost for several reasons

1) white king is more actively placed ( fourth rank vs third rank)

2) White has an extra doubled pawn. This serve a useful purpose as white can trade on d5 as he please but white can never take on e4.

3) white has more pawn moves than black. This gains or loses tempi

white winning ideas is as follow:

1) improve his king to fifth rank

2) attack the weak pawns: first tie down black in the defense of e6 pawn. Once black runs out of move and white gains opposition, white king will invade on either the queenside or the kingside.

This should be a very simply technique for the pro.

Oct-08-09   tacticalmonster: a)1.h5+ 2.Kf4 Ke7 3. Ke5
b)1.g5 2.hxg5 hxg5 3. Kh5
c)1.a6 2.a3 tranpose to a or b
d)1.Kf7 2.h5! g5 3. exd5 exd5 4.Kf5 win the d5 pawn

e)1.Kf7 2.h5 Kf6 3. hxg6 Kxg6 4. Kh4 h5 (any K move allow Kh5 and white wins) 5. g4 hxg4 6. Kxg4 Kf6 (Kh6?? kf4-ke5 win) 7. Kh5 Kf7 8.(Kh6 draw) Kg5 Kg7 9. e5! Kf7 10. Kh6 Kf8 11.Kg6

white has the opposition and will eventually pick up the e6 pawn.

Oct-08-09   moronovich: This was the last game Garry played.

And according to himself his mind and feelings were set on the concludingspeech which he would do soon after this game.

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