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Giovanni Leonardo Di Bona da Cutri vs Ruy Lopez de Segura
Leonardo vs. Ruy Lopez (1575), Spain
Italian Game: Classical. Closed Variation (C53)  ·  1-0
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Jun-03-05
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  InspiredByMorphy: <Jayme> <5.b4?! is bad, better is 5.d4> 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Qxe4+ and black is up a pawn with a good position. What more could one ask for? Look at the following games and before you have a chance to say that 7.Kd2 was a bad move in the first game, look at the second game. Dont let the result decieve you. Black has the better game. ? Castiglio vs Polerio, 1801
Scovara vs P Boi, 1575
Jun-04-05  Jaymthetactician: Joke of the day,this is. <Ruy Lopez (c)>

Crafty! get Crafty here to prove some flaw in Lopez's play!

Jun-09-05  Jaymthetactician: 7.a5 wins! Why not 7.a5,Ba6 8.0-0,Nf6 9.d3?
Jun-09-05
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  Swapmeet: <Jay> How exactly does that win?
Jun-10-05  Jaymthetactician: Because white has complete control of the g1-a7 diagonal, and to further analyisis 9. ... O-O 10. Bg5 d6 11. Nbd2 Be6 12. Qe2 Rad8 with a slight advantage for white. whereas the game is equal, even after the evaluation

10. ... O-O 11. a5 Ba7 12. O-O Rad8 13. Bb2

Jun-11-05
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  Swapmeet: White has control of the g1-a7 diagnol? Might want to "analyize" that one again. Perhaps you could argue slight advantage to white but those are hardly winning lines.
Jun-13-05  Jaymthetactician: But the pawn's control the diagonal, maybe not all squares on the diagonal are controled, but the important ones are, hindering the dark squared bishop. My lines are better then the game, so it is clear that I would be world champion in the 1500's. My Queenalice.com rating is a provisional 1863, and that's stronger then anyone back then.
Jun-13-05
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  TheAlchemist: Jay, you're incorrigible... :-)

With your knowledge, maybe, but I doubt so, but if your knowledge was accordingly diminished, you wouldn't stand a chance.

Jun-13-05  SBC: <chessgames.com>

Please change "Leonardo da Curtie" to either "Giovanni Leonardo di Bona" or "Giovani Leonardo da Cutri" or "Giovani Leonardo da Cutro" (see http://e4e6.com/cutro/bandouk.php )

Actually to me, "Giovanni Leonardo
Di Bona da Cutri" would seem the most accurate name to use for all his games here.

Jun-26-05  calman543: Why did black resign in this game?
Jun-27-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: He probably resigned much later. This is probably an incomplete or partly unintelligiblr game score.
Nov-24-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jonathan Sarfati: The Leonardos need to be combined into one entry.
Sep-19-07  wolfmaster: Such intricate manuvering makes you wonder if modern chess was based on 16th century chess...
Oct-20-07  Ruy Lopez: Why resign?
May-25-08  wolfmaster: <Ruy Lopez> <Why resign?> You tell us.
Dec-21-13
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  Sergash: The Philidor Defense... 200 years before Philidor!

Yeah the end of the game seems to have been lost.

It could have continued like this for example :

10...0-0 11.Ba2 Nh5 (with the idea of playing Nf4) 12.g3 Qf6 13.h3 Be6 = /

or 11.Bc1 Nh5 12.Nb3 Qf6 13.a5 Ba7 = / with the idea of trading the Bishop for the black knight, should it come to f4;

or 11.a5 Ba7 12.Nf1 (12.Bc1 transpose into 11.Bc1) Nh5 13.Bc1 = / ;

finally 11.h3 Bd7 12.Bc1 =

Dec-21-13
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  Sergash: 10.Nbd2 looks imprecise. This knight is blocking the white bishop from controlling f4.

It seems better to first bring back the bishop by Bc1-e3 and then develop this knight.

A-10.0-0 Nh5 11.Bc1 Qf6 12.a5 Ba7 13.Be3 =;

B- 10.Bc1 0-0 11.a5 Ba7 12.0-0 Rad8 =;

C- 10.a5 Ba7 11.Bc1 Be6 (11...0-0 12.0-0 transpose into B- 10.Bc1) 12.Bxe6 Qxe6 (12...fxe6!? =) 13.Bg5 =

Dec-21-13
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  Sergash: 7.Ba3?!

This move looks bizarre. Other moves seem better :

A- 7.0-0 = / ;

B- <7.a5 Ba7 8.d4!? exd4> (Or a more quiet variation : 8...d6 9.d5 (or 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Re1 (Or 10.d5 transposing) 0-0 = / ) Nb8 10.0-0 Nf6 11.Bd3 = / ) <9.0-0! d6! 10.cxd4 Bg4 11.b5! Nxd4 12.b6! Nxf3+> (only move) <13.gxf3 Bh3 14.bxa7! Qf6> (only move) <15.Qd5! Ne7!> (And not 15...Qxa1?? 16.Qxf7+ Kd8 17.Bg5+! Nf6 18.Qxg7 ) <16.Qh5 Bxf1> (Again not 16...Qxa1?? 17.Bxf7! Kd8 (if 17...Kf8 18.Bb3 (threat : Qf7#) Be6 19.Bxe6 Qf6 20.Qh3! wins) 18.Qxh3 Rf8 19.Qxh7! ) <17.Bg5! Qg6> (and not 17...Qxa1?? (White plays and mate in 10 moves!) 18.Qxf7+ Kd7 (if 18...Kd8 19.Qxe7+ Kc8 20.Be6#) 19.Qxe7+ Kc6 (19...Kc8 20.Be6#) 20.Bd5+ Kb5 (if 20...Kc5 21.Qxc7+ Kb4 (on 21...Kb5 or 21...Kd4 White mates in 2 moves) 22.Bd2+ Ka4 (else it is mate in 2 moves or less) 23.Qc2+ Kb5 24.Qb3+ Kc5 25.Qb6#) <18.Qxg6 hxg6 19.Bxf1> (19.Kxf1 Rxh2 20.Be3 = / ) <Rxa7 20.Nc3 = / > ;

C- A novelty would be 7.d4!? exd4 8.0-0! d6! 9.a5 Ba7 transposing in the lines of 7.a5.

Dec-21-13
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  Sergash: 6.a4 threatening a5, which would win the black bishop.

5.b4!? Marginal. Historically, 5.0-0 and 5.d4 have been played much more often.

4...Qe7!? Getting the queen out quickly seems to have been in fashion at that time. One must point out that there weren't any general principles yet. THE move is 4...Nf6 here.

May-18-15  Amarande: <Sergash> 4 ... Nf6 is the most common line, but commits Black to surrendering the centre if White opts for the 5 d4 line; 4 ... Qe7 is necessary in this line of the Giuoco Piano if Black wants to keep his centre pawn without disadvantage.

If 4 ... d6 instead, then 5 d4 and if Bb6 6 dxe5 and Black will lose the e- or f-pawn after the Queens are exchanged (6 ... dxe5 7 Qxd8+ or 6 ... Nxe5 7 Nxe5 dxe5 8 Qxd8+; the defenders of Black's Queen are overloaded).

If 4 ... Bb6, then 5 d4 and Black will have to play Qe7 anyway to hold the centre (5 ... d6? loses a pawn, as above).

Sep-12-15  kasnew: 4...De7? This move seems to keep his centre pawn without disadvantage,but 5.d4 is able to destroy his castle, firstly, if 5...Bb6 than 6.O-O Nf6 7.d5 Cb8 8.a4 a5 9.Bd3 d6 10.Ca3 Bg4 11.Cc4 Cb8d7 12.Te1 O-O
May-26-16
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  dernier loup de T: Is t not strange that Ruy Lopez allows a... Ruy Lopez game by playing 2...Nc6 instead of 2...d6? I thought he considered the spanish game to be a too much strong possibility for White to attack the e5 pawn?
May-26-16
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  dernier loup de T: So, da Cutri did NOT play 3.Bb5; but, if he did, what was the advice of Lopez about the best defense for Black?
Apr-06-17  Yigor: 8. d3 is an inaccuracy, the correct move is 8. O-O.
Aug-13-18
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  sergeidave: "11... resigns" is a novelty.
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