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| Dec-10-05 | | dzanone: Ulf Andersson once said,"I consider it unworthy and degrading to lose against a woman. Women can never be as good as men in chess. They can get a certain degree of theoretical knowledge, but in a game of brain versus brain, where you can't follow theory, they are without a chance." Quoted from Pal Benko's Winning With Chess Psychology,1991, pg.209. |
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| Dec-10-05 | | aw1988: Christ, that's horrible. |
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| Dec-10-05 | | KingG: What an idiot. The thing is even if you believe such nonsense, to say it in public is madness. Every time you play a women, you are going to be under pressure not to lose, and make yourself look(even more?) ridiculous. |
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| Dec-10-05 | | Caissanist: Well, he probably said this back when it was something close to conventional chess wisdom. Benko himself, when annotating his 1975 game with Alla Kushnir, talked about how humiliating it would have been to lose to her and how everyone would make fun of him if he did ("you lost to a WOMAN?"). I believe that he was mostly joking, but it still says a lot about the prevalent attitude of the time. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | THE pawn: Another one getting struck in the face. Kasparov ate Judit's recipe too. The only that did not have the ''chance'' to get humiliated is Fisher. Men are all talk...heh. Personnaly, I can't respect a chess player, even if he is good, when he's just a jerk. I can't stand alekhine because he was a nazi and a bad winner, I can't really stand Kasparov because he can't be mature just once. (Radjabov, Polgar etc.) and now ulf! |
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| Dec-11-05 | | pawn52: Never thought I had to do this.
*Blows whistle* |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: Well, it is definitely likely that he was forced to write articles, that the Nazis forced Alekhine, and was not his own opinion. Kasparov did not say anything negative about women, and is very mature. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: But now I just have no respect for Ulf Andersson. Just unbelievable. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | Boomie: Meanwhile, back at the game...Athough the position is lost, I'm surprised Andersson didn't play a few more moves. Maybe the "weak woman", who won this tournament by the way, will throw a hissy fit. 25...Ke7 26. Qa5 a6 27. Qb4 Qd7 28. Qh4+ Kf8 29. Qxh7 Qd4 30. Qh6+ Ke8 31. Qc1  (2.14/13) |
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| Dec-11-05 | | KingG: Let's not forget Korchnoi's hissy fit after loosing to Zsofia Polgar. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: That was the game, not sexism. |
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Dec-11-05
 | | offramp: Andersson gave up early because he wanted to get out of Malmo as quickly as possible. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | KingG: <aw1988> What do you mean 'the game'? Didn't he say something like 'I will never lose to you ever again'? I doubt he would say that to a male player. |
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Dec-11-05
 | | tamar: Ulf wisely resisted taking the b pawn on move 20
if 20...Qxg2
21 Qd3 Qe5
22 Qd7+ Kb8
23 Qxf7 Ka8
24 Rd7 Rb8
25 Rxb7! Rxb7
26 Qe8+ Qb8
27 Qxc6 (White's edge at 2.72/ 19 ply Shredder 8) |
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| Dec-11-05 | | Karpova: <aw1988: Well, it is definitely likely that he was forced to write articles, that the Nazis forced Alekhine, and was not his own opinion.> this is probably wrong. it's quite common to claim that all those guys who just looked away or even supported the regime actively were all forced to do so |
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Dec-11-05
 | | chancho: <I consider it unworthy and degrading to lose against a woman. Women can never be as good as men in chess.> Ulfie sure ate a lot of crow with this quote of his. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: <KingG> No, he's obviously disgusted with the game. Did he say anything about females? No. <Karpova> Well, it's hard to believe, but I wouldn't put it past. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | Averageguy: <KingG><What do you mean 'the game'? Didn't he say something like 'I will never lose to you ever again'? I doubt he would say that to a male player.>I believe he said that after Kasparov vs Ulf Andersson, 1981. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: <Averageguy> No, we mean Korchnoi after losing in blitz to Stefanova(?). |
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| Dec-11-05 | | KingG: <aw1988> <No, we mean Korchnoi after losing in blitz to Stefanova(?).> I think it was Zsofia Polgar, but i'm not 100% sure. You could be right about the incident, it's just that i seem to remember there being a anti-female tone to his comments, but that might be my imagination. I think there is a video clip of the incident online somewhere, i'll try and track it down. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: I'm fairly sure it was Stefanova, but I'm not certain either. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: OK, I looked at Search Kibitzing. It does seem to be Sofia Polgar. |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: http://www.iowachess.org/files/Sofi... |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: < Sneaky: About the Zsofia - Korchnoi video: I think that video is precious and I don't think Korchnoi has anything to apologize for. I couldn't exactly hear what Zsofia said to him, something like "I felt I did not have your respect but ... yadda yadda yadda ... have your respect." I know the feeling you get when you beat somebody you consider to be a stronger player; I beat a guy who was ~2200 at the US Open last year (about 500 points higher than me) and after the game I was positively effervescent. I knew better than to say anything to him at all, as I know I would be furious if I lost to a 1200 player so I imagine he was going through the same thing. Zsofia was excited and it's easy to interpret that as gloating, and Korchnoi said, in so many words, "Enjoy you victory, it is your first and last!" He was not nasty, he was terse and tactful about it.
That's just the emotional side of chess. It's part of the sport.> |
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| Dec-11-05 | | aw1988: So I do not see any comments against women there. |
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