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|Nov-03-06|| ||Karpova: <Honza> some people say that Gorky didn't play chess so why (or how) could he have recorded that game. He probably didn't know the notation and played maybe one game per decade) And why should Lenin have done so after losing?|
|Nov-03-06|| ||Honza Cervenka: <Karpova><some people say that Gorky didn't play chess> I think that this is a misunderstanding of <Kangaroo>'s correction of an older comment under photo on Maxim Gorky's page. Kangaroo has stated (correctly) that Gorky did not played chess on the picture as he was standing and watching the game of Lenin and Bogdanov. But it doesn't mean that he never played chess.|
|Nov-03-06|| ||JustAFish: One would expect, if the game was fabricated, that it would be done so for political reasons- that is, to make the more politically important player look smart in retrospect. Napoleon did this a few times. I would surmise that the more politically important of the two players was Lenin.|
Thus, since the game appears competent, but not outstanding, AND given the fact that that Lenin lost it, that there is there is no good reason to suspect that this game was fabricated in order to benefit Lenin. Moreover, if this game was fabricated by Lenin's enemies (or, perhaps, Gorky's supporters) one would expect that one would have made Gorky's side of the game somewhat more airtight. There's no astounding knockout combination that makes Gorky look expecially clever.
Whether or not it was fabricated, it was clearly NOT fabricated for political reasons.
|Nov-09-06|| ||Rolfo: Well, if Lenin played this, I could have played him. Think I could be a fair match to him. Napoleon was may be a better player. Had their lucks and talents in chess been greater, may be they had restrained from politics...|
|Sep-07-07|| ||mandy64: This game was played by Lenin, but she was a ship(!)(an ice-braker called Lenin) the championship was between the soviet fleet's ships. The date was in the 1960's.
Her opponent's name was Gyeszna if I recall well.
|Aug-06-08|| ||dumbgai: The date of this game can't be right; to my knowledge the Alekhine Defence was introduced by Alekhine and in 1909 he would have been just a young boy.|
|Aug-06-08|| ||keypusher: <dumbgai> Alekhine's Defense appears in an 1811 chess book, I seem to recall. See also <honza>'s comment below.|
|Aug-10-08|| ||myschkin: . . .
Photo (Gorki, Bogdanov, Lenin):
|Sep-04-09|| ||FHBradley: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
An etching picturing Hitler and Lenin playing a game of chess in Vienna in 1909, to be sold at Mullock's auction house with the preliminary price of 40,000 £. This surely does not look like the twenty-year old Hitler to me, and Lenin was presumably bald at that time. Whatever...
|Oct-25-09|| ||Bartuc: Lenin later died in the city, named Gorky.
Just an another interesting fact :)
|Nov-06-09|| ||markygod: hisadasdqwewqswqweq|
|Apr-01-11|| ||Phony Benoni: Gorky should have pursued his talent. He could have become one of the Maxims of Chess.|
And, of course, co-inventor of the Gorkykhine Defense--a prickly variation, to say the least.
|Aug-03-11|| ||rapidcitychess: I think I know why it's called the Alekhine Defense still. Sounds much better than the Gorky Defense. I would be ashamed to play the "Gorky Defense". |
Plus, Alekhine allows you to flaunt your pronunciation skills.
|Aug-04-11|| ||aliejin: In my opnion the Alekhine defense has the correct name,
it was Alekhine who introduced it into the practice master|
Surely it is impossible to know when
1e4 cf6 defense was first played
|Dec-15-11|| ||SteinitzLives: It looks like the black bourgeoise controlled the means of production, while the white laboreres sat by and watched the revolution.|
|Dec-15-11|| ||markwell: Smoke and mirrors, like the rest of commie nonsense.|
|Jul-20-12|| ||Pirandus: FAKE!
La partie était jouée en ondes radiophoniques (ou télégramme) par les joueurs (entre eux maîtres) des bateaux de guerre soviétiques nommés LENIN et GORKI, en 1962. Source: Informator, 1962/64.
|Jul-20-12|| ||twinlark: Loose translation: the game was played in 1962 between players on two Soviet warships, the Lenin and the Gorky.|
|Dec-29-12|| ||cunctatorg: Well, I would like to also see in this database some I.V. Stalin's ... "cooperativistic/propaganda" games!! Sometimes I had seen a Sicilian defense with a nice sacrifice of a white Knight at f5, a hoax game between Stalin and ... N.I. Yezhov ... but I don't remember the year though I am sure it was before 1939!! That and I wish you a Happy New Year!!|
|Dec-29-12|| ||DanielBryant: chessgames.com posted in 2006 that this game is a hoax but didn't elaborate. I'm surprised it's still in here.|
|Apr-03-13|| ||Conrad93: Right...
And they just happened to play the Alekhine Defense in 1908 according to modern theory.
This is absolutely a fake.
|Apr-03-13|| ||JimNorCal: So, Comrade ... you are saying this is a "Potemkin game"?
I'm afraid you'll just have to enjoy this game in Siberia, da?|
|Sep-25-13|| ||Infohunter: I know I am joining the discussion several years late, but for whatever it might be worth, I have just discovered that this game is listed on p. 235 of the 1964 openings manual *Chess Openings: Theory and Practice* by I. A. Horowitz as having been played in 1960 as part of a radio match between the Deschna Chess Club (White) and the Lenin Chess Club (Black). The moves match from start to finish.|
|Mar-11-14|| ||Bowen Island: Next you'll be telling us the game was NOT played in Gorky Park!|
|Aug-26-14|| ||siegbert: Lenin v Gorky did seem to be too good to be true. If info h u n t e r is correct it is INCORRECT.|
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