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Deep Fritz (Computer) vs Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik vs Deep Fritz 2006  ·  Queen's Gambit Accepted (D20)  ·  1-0


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Feb-18-08
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  notyetagm: This image would make a great avatar for a Kramnik hater.


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Feb-24-08   The Rocket: fischer blundered away a bishop in his first game against spassky in 72 so not only kramnik blunders!!!
Feb-24-08   BigW2619: The contract with for the deep fritz match probably gave Kramnik limited bathroom breaks. Ha!
Aug-31-08
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  sallom89: <BigW2619: The contract with for the deep fritz match probably gave Kramnik limited bathroom breaks. Ha!>

LOL.

Sep-02-08
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  PinnedPiece: Anyone care to work out what Kramnik's move 35 should have been? Say, g5? or Kg8? Can either move continue for Kramnik as he believed...that he was winning?

Can someone use Rybka 3 to settle it?

Or better, use Rybka 3 against Deep Fritz of 2006?

---I don't mean to imply Kramnik would be able to calculate like Rybka 3 (trying to fend off <NotYetaGentleMan> here), but still....

Sep-02-08   Woody Wood Pusher: Drawnik offered Fritz the draw, but the arrogant machine decided to play the mate in one anyway. At least his human opponents respect him more.
Sep-02-08
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  MostlyAverageJoe: <PinnedPiece: Anyone care to work out what Kramnik's move 35 should have been? Say, g5? or Kg8?>

You mean move 34, of course.

34...g5 allows white to deliver a mate in 12 moves (Hiarcs 12.1MP found it in about 10 seconds). Something like this: 35. e6 Qg7 36. Ng6+ Kg8 37. e7 Qf7 38. e8=Q+ Qxe8 39. Qxe8+ Kg7 40. Ne5 Kf6 41. Nd7+ Kf5 42. Qe5+ Kg6 43. Qe6+ Kg7 44. Ne5 Kh8 45. Qf7 Bxb2 46. Ng6#

34...Kg8 appears to be the best move for the black (Hiarcs claims a draw).

Sep-03-08
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  PinnedPiece: <MAJ> Gracias!
Sep-11-08   ravel5184: Read the kibitzing on pages 12-13!!
Sep-15-08   Katu: What a blunder!
Sep-15-08   Woody Wood Pusher: Just shows the risks any player runs without regular bathroom breaks.
Oct-30-08   The Low Aviator: 34. ... Kg8 would have been Kramnik's lifesaver.
Oct-30-08
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  sleepyirv: Kramnik must have completely forgotten about the knight. If he just missed the mate, he would have played 34...Qf2
Nov-01-08   The Low Aviator: <sleepyirv: Kramnik must have completely forgotten about the knight. If he just missed the mate, he would have played 34...Qf2>

Kramnik still had the chance to force a draw. 34. ... Qe3 was a very disastrous blunder (more like, 34. ... Qe3??? when it should be, 34. ... Kg8!!)

Going back to 33. ... Bxc1, Kramnik had to capture the rook to equalize the game, although 34. Nxf8 could be countered with 34. ... Kg8, threatening the Knight, and avoiding mate (or rather, draw the game).

If Kramnik played 34. ... Kg8, my prediction for the next 6 moves would have been: 35. Ng6 Kh7 36. Nf8++ Kg8 37. Ng6 Kh7 38. Nf8++ Kg8 39. Ng6 Kh7 40. Nf8++ Kg8 and it's a draw by threefold repetition/perpetual check.

Then again, bathroom breaks comes into light here. 34. ... Qf2 can't save Kramnik.

Dec-22-08   WhiteRook48: ...Qe3???? This is like Karpov's ...Qxd3???? in a Short v Karpov game.
Dec-25-08   SufferingBruin: Apologies if someone posted this earlier; from "King's Gambit" by Paul Hoffman: "I cannot really find any explanation," a stunned Kramnik said after the match. "I was not feeling tired. I think I was calculating well.... It's just very strange. I cannot explain it." (p.125)
Dec-26-08
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  acirce: Yes, you can listen to Kramnik's exact words here: http://www.chessbase.de/2006/kramni... (after some footage from the game itself, etc, the press conference itself starts about 6:41 in, and Kramnik starts to talk at about 7:43).
Jan-01-09   WhiteRook48: Teach a human to lose by ignoring a checkmate in one! What a day for Kramnik!
Jan-02-09   WhiteRook48: wow... Qe3??? just boggles the mind for someone to hear a Grandmaster and candidate for champion blunder his Q
Jan-06-09
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  Duque Roquero: Ridiculous.
Feb-21-09   WhiteRook48: try imagining what Kramnik was thinking when he played ...Qe3
Feb-25-09   WhiteRook48: why ...b5?
May-10-09   falso contacto: he thought he was white.
Jul-15-09   WhiteRook48: interestingly I was thinking of 34...Bxb2??? which falls into the same thing
Sep-21-09   sh8911: mate???I will reisn befor he mate
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