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Francisco Vallejo Pons vs Arkadij Naiditsch
"Spain beats Germany" (game of the day Jun-30-2008)
European Team Chess Championship (2007), Crete GRE, rd 4, Oct-31
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Ulvestad Variation Kurkin Gambit (C57)  ·  1-0


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Jun-30-08  natrix75: At the end of move 9 black is all scattered about while white is hardly developed.
Jun-30-08  BishopofBlunder: Hopefully this will somewhat appease those users who complained about the U.S. bias after the "Giants beat Patriots" GOTD.
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  meloncio: A very suitable game/pun of the day. Thanks!
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: A quick glance at the database revealed only one game with 9...Rf8, as recommended by <computer chess guy>:

M Hajek vs Smid Jaroslav, 1993

It's not a bad advert for the Rook move.

Spain-Germany was a pretty good game today. Congratulations to the Spaniards.

Jun-30-08  Mostolesdude: Incredible, I'm waiting until 2am to watch the game on ESPN 2 because I couldnt watch it live (Spain vs Germany). Then, I go to 5 minutes before the game starts and I read "Spain beats Germany". Thanks chessgames, you made my day, now watching the final is pointless.
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  WannaBe: Look on the bright side, you can get some good rest/sleep!! =)
Jun-30-08  Alphastar: I remember going over this game; The attack starting with 9. ..Bxf2+? is not well-founded. black ought to simply develop, even though he is then a pawn down.

Paco defended very well.

Jun-30-08  ahmadov: Spain beats Germany! A good headline posted by <CG>... I thought Americans showed no interest in European football at all... :-)
Jun-30-08  A.G. Argent: Espana! Ecellent counterplay by Vallejo-Pons, wasn't it. Things were looking quite nasty until he was able to break out of it a bit with 15.Bxg5. Ain't so sure why Naiditsch even allowed him the exchange with 14...Ng5. Opened the door for Francisco's escape and his counter-attack. Bonito.
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  playground player: Wild game--and another way of frustrating White's Fried Liver Attack.
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  kevin86: Those amazing triple pawns! Note that no pawn moved on the c-file all game long!!

Another Spain vs Germany matchup:

1989 French Open Final:Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario defeated Steffi Graf,ending the latter's run at Grand Slam Titles (She won the GS in 1988).

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  patzer2: Black lost this game in the opening, as 9...Bxf2+?? is a blunder. Instead, Black should consider 9...Qd5 as in D Ellison vs Flear, 1994. Moreover, he might have avoided this possibility with a level game by playing 6...Nd4 as in Estrin vs Berliner, 1965.

Following 6...h6?! 7. Nxf7! Kxf7 8. dxc6! Bc5 9. Be2 White has the advantage, and after 9....Bxf2+?? 10. Kxf2 Black is busted. Indeed, White's strong defensive reply of 11. Kf1! (the only sure winning response to 10...Ne4+) demonstrates he is aware of the refutation and is fully prepared to fend off Black's speculative attack and score the full point.

P.S. Still it's good to see players taking risks and trying out sacrificial attacks in open games like the two knights. Really enjoyed this one.

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  tamar: Spain Beats Germany 1-0 :)
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  Jimfromprovidence: I really appreciated 22 h4, threatening gxh5 with forced mate.

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Black is forced to play 22...Bh5, pinning his own piece and losing a pawn after 23 gxh5.

As an aside, it looks like white could have done better with 24 Nd1 instead of 24 Bf3.

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  Domdaniel: Spain beats Germany ... but it's the Italian Game.
Jun-30-08  percyblakeney: Black wasn't Klose here.
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  patzer2: After taking a second look at the Berliner game, maybe it's not such a big improvement afterall. Turns out <Random Visitor> found a bust to Black's line there at move 12 and Estrin already came close at move 14 with a strong improvement. Here it's my opinion that after 6...h6, White gets the upperhand with the game continuation through 9. Be2 .

Haven't looked at it this way before, but I'm beginning to think the whole Ulvestad 5...b5 variation of the two Knights may be a bit suspect, and it's time to drop it in favor of the more classical contination with 5...Na5.

P.S. Would be interesting to let Berliner play the world team with us playing White at White's 12th move of that game.

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  patzer2: Just noticed that there are no games with this 5...b5 variation listed for 2008 in the Opening Explorer , but there are games with 5...Na5. Wonder if most Masters have come to the same conclusion that the soundness of 5...b5 is somewhat suspect.
Jun-30-08  WickedPawn: <Mostolesdude: Incredible, I'm waiting until 2am to watch the game on ESPN 2 because I couldnt watch it live (Spain vs Germany). Then, I go to 5 minutes before the game starts and I read "Spain beats Germany". Thanks chessgames, you made my day, now watching the final is pointless.> This is one of the many ways chess may spoil your life (as it has done with me).
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  Domdaniel: <Mostolesdude> If you want to totally avoid a piece of data - like a sports result - the internet isn't the safest place to hang out. Not even on a chess site, and especially not on a chess site whose denizens talk about anything and everything.

These days, you have to avoid both human contact and stray noise from the datasphere. A blanket over the head works wonders, I'm told.

But even that didn't work for me -- the Hispanic cheers from next door broke through. You have my sympathy, but information can be *very* difficult to avoid.

Jun-30-08  Kaspablanca: Vallejo dominated the Casillas(casilla is square in Spanish) maybe i`m not very good at puns but i tried.
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  patzer2: Kaidanov vs Onischuk, 2008 is a good recent game with the recommended 5...Na5 improvement from the recent U.S. championship.
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  Domdaniel: <patzer2> It *is* a nice game -- but 5...Na5 has been the main line for at least 100 years, so it's not really an 'improvement'.

This isn't a <Fried Liver/ Fegatello> either: that goes 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6

In any case, all this stuff is ultra-theoretical, which is why it's more often seen in correspondence games. I suspect that any GM playing 3.Bc4 already knows that 11.Kf1 is necessary - or can work it out over the board in a few seconds. The alternatives (11.Ke1 Qh4+; 11.Kg1 Qd4+ etc) are catastrophic for white.

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  patzer2: <Domdaniel> Good point! I referred to 5...Na5 as the classical continuation in my first post, and should have continued to label it that way in my last previous one.

In either event, I think the 5...b5 variation may be on it's way out at Master level, as, in the future, Masters who play the Two Knights Defense will almost exclusively prefer the traditional, main line 5...Na5 variation (at least in serious rated games).

Oct-27-09  Mostolesdude: ok, Spain will win the 2010 world cup against brazil in the read it here in October 27, 2009.
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