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Oct-16-08
 | | Touch of Knight:  Thanks <TCE>. It was too good to be true. I’ve just voted for 48.Kf3, and with a draw offer. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | The Chess Express: Sure, no harm in looking. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | MindCtrol9: <The Chess Express>Yes,I know it,but I'm not thinking to get the <h pawn> right away.It is just a threat.I have to work on this. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | popski: Yeah, let's go draw guys, like Kramnik and Anand does... |
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Oct-16-08
 | | Robin01: I suggest we all vote for a draw now. It seems like a good outcome for our game. |
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Oct-16-08
 | | kwgurge: Voted 48.Kf3 and Draw offer. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | MindCtrol9: <The Chess Express> 48.Kh3 a4 49.Rf4 Rh8 50.Rf6 ...(Black must protect the <e pawn> with something)50. ...Kd6 51.Rf7 ...(now Black must protect the <b pawn> 51. ...Kc6 52.Re7 Rh6 53.Re8 ...)/
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Oct-16-08
 | | OhioChessFan: <MC> <48.Kh3 a4 49.Rf4 Rh8 > Black wouldn't bother to save the h pawn. 49...Kb5 is winning |
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| Oct-16-08 | | MindCtrol9: <OhioChessFan> Perhaps you are right,but let's take a look if Black wins with <49. ...Kb5>
<48.Kh3 a4 49.Rf4 Kb5 50.Rf1...>/
click for larger view/ <Black could play <51. ...Ka4 52.Rxe6 Rb8 53. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | Dmaster995: Kh3, draw offered. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | MindCtrol9: <Dmaster995> I do not give this game up,but if everyone wants to draw,that is OK with me.I like to fight like Rocky Balboa"it is not how hard you hit.but it is how hard can you get hit and keep forward".That is the way I am,I was a fighter,I am a fighter and I always be that way. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | MindCtrol9: My vote is <48.Kh3> |
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Oct-16-08
 | | Gypsy:  47...Rg8+ 48.Kxh4 Rxg2 49.h3 Rxc2 50.Rf3 Rg2 51.Re3 Kb5 52.Rf3 Rxf3 53.Kxg3 e5 54.<h4> exd4 55.Kf2 dxc3 56.Ke1... (Black to play)
click for larger viewThis is what worried me. But it should be winning for Black, should it not? 56...<Ka4>
(1) 57.h5 Kb3 58.h6 c2 59.Kd2 Kb2 ... Black wins
(2) 57.Kd1 Kb3 58.Kc1 d4 59.h5 c2 60.h6 c3 61.h7 d3 62.h8Q d2# 
click for larger viewA checkmate!
I guess I must have lost a tempo somewhere while analysing earlier, maybe by mixing the two variations and forgetting the h-pawn up the ahead. |
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| Oct-16-08 | | Dmaster995: <MindCtrol9> I do believe that our best chances lie with this Kh3 move. Whether it is enough... I have my doubts. I am trying some analysis, but there are severe risks ( i.e moving rook of 7th, giving up f-file) which I don't think they're favourable to us. I'll get back to you. |
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| Oct-17-08 | | The Chess Express: “You first have to equalize before you look for something” (Bobby Fischer regarding 48. Kh3) |
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Oct-17-08
 | | MWYOUNG: I strongly recommend Kh3, I think we can hold a draw with Kh3. I can not say this with other moves. Choose wisely. 48.Kh3 a5 49.g4 hxg3 50.hxg3 Rh8 51.Kg2 Kb5 52.Rf1 Ka4 53.Ra1 Rg8 54.Kh3 Re8 55.Kg2 b6 56.g4 Re7 57.Kf3 e5 58.dxe5 Rxe5 59.Ra2 = 
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Oct-17-08
| | MWYOUNG: The reason why Kf3 is a mistake is very simple. The rook must get back to Rf1 to defend our a3 pawn. Since we did not play a4 the last move, the black king can now attack a3. Kf3 is other wasted tempo we can not afford. |
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Oct-17-08
 | | Eyal: <Gypsy> Yeah, very nice. Actually, I haven't considered it as a "problem line" in the first place because I was somehow under the impression that our pawns can get the job done by themselves, with a couple of tempi to spare - as in 56.Ke1 d4 57.Kd1 d3 58.h5 c2+ 59.Kd2 c3+; but, of course, if White plays here 60.Kc1 rather than Kxc3 then Ka4-Kb3 is necessary and we transpose to your line, which hangs on a single tempo. |
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| Oct-17-08 | | MindCtrol9: <TCE> Mentioning R.Fischer,Is it not today the first year of his death? |
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Oct-17-08
| | MWYOUNG: RJF died on January 17, 2008. |
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| Oct-17-08 | | The Chess Express: <MindCtrol9> The quote is his. I just applied it to 48. Rh3. |
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Oct-17-08
 | | chesstoplay: < Gypsy > Yes, Ka4 here wins very efficiently. < Eyal > 's d4 also works out to a nice win as well.
click for larger viewHere is my favorite break through position. Enjoy!
click for larger viewWhite plays the natural Kc5...
...taking the direct opposition, winning the d5 pawn and loses! 
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| Oct-17-08 | | The Chess Express: <MindCtrol9: 48. Kh3 a4 49. Rf4 Kb5 50 .Rf1 Ka4 52. Rxe6 Rb8> <Dmaster995: MindCtrol9 I do believe that our best chances lie with this Kh3 move.> This analysis makes no sense. 52. Rxe6 is impossible. The reason why 48. Kh3 loses is very simple. Black’s  can infiltrate our position at will, and black promotes before we do. Lets take a look at <MindCtrol9>‘s idea. 48. Kh3 a4 <49. Rf1>. This is a more efficient way to play the line. 49...Kb5 50. Ra1 Ka4 51. Ra2 b5 52. Ra1 Rg5 53. Ra2 e5 54. dxe5 Rxe5 55. Kxh4 Re3 56. g4 Rxc3 57. g5 Re3 58. g6 Re2 59. Kg5 (59. Kh5 Rxh2) d4 60. g7 d3 0-1 It’s too late for the Rf1 idea. Defending the a  and shuttling back and forth between a2 … a1 no longer works. <48. Kf3> with the draw offer is our move. |
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| Oct-17-08 | | RonB52734: Thanks, TCE, that was helpful |
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| Oct-17-08 | | The Chess Express: Sure.
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