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| Sep-02-08 | | Intrepid Spiff: Way to go Carlsen !! |
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| Sep-02-08 | | notyetagm: So what was the big blunder that Aronian made?
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| Sep-02-08 | | aktajha: No big blunders here, just a case of not enough compensation for the pawn and an amazing way of converting it by Carlsen. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | Jafar219: <notyetagm> I think Aronian`s big blunder was 1.c4. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | notyetagm: http://tournaments.chessdom.com/bil... <51... Kg4
Planing after Kg4-h3 to put end to White's agony. Aronian resignes. He had his chances after the opening - 11.Nxf6 or 17.Nc4 - but sacrificed a pawn instead, going for a position in which at first glance White is dominating. <Carlsen played extraordinary this game and outplayed his opponent quite convincingly, letting us enjoy a real chess masterpiece.> 0-1> |
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| Sep-02-08 | | dycotiles: and a little mating net at the end ... what a gem! |
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| Sep-02-08 | | YouRang: Perhaps Aronian's best chance to hang on was at move 42 [diagram]
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He played 42.Qf8? (42.Qa4 was better), which put his queen out of position. After this, Carlsen's queen had no trouble pushing his a-pawn with decisive effect. Actually, it could have been decisive faster had Carlsen continued with 46...a2, but perhaps, fearing perpetual check, he elected to sac his a-pawn for kingside attack, which was effective enough. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | metatron2: <notyetagm> Aronian didn't blunder, he was simply outplayed by Carlsen's amazing ability to concurrently combine the most accurate defense with a strong attack. How many players in the world could actually hold the position resulted from the opening against Aronian? Not more then a handful I would say, but to win it?! I also thought that 17. Nc4 was better then his 17. Rb1 since it was important for Aronian to get that knight into the game, and exchanging it with the black bishop helped black releasing the pressure. Maybe Aronian didn't want to get into exchange sacrifice that will force him to remove his queen from d6 after black's 17.. Re2. I didn't understand it when Carlsen played Qe1 & Rd1 since it seems that white's attack will be much more dangerous, and I actually thought that Qc7 with Ra7 is killing for white, but Magnus saw that 33. Ra7 gets mated in 3 since it abandons the e4 square, already in move 31 (!) And only with such deep insight it is possible to beat a player like Aronian in such a position. Finally, I thought that 36.. Qe4+ would get into an easily pawn end game for black, but after checking it I realize that white can probably hold it, while Magnus saw it with just about 2 minutes on his clock.. |
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Sep-02-08
 | | tamar: Winning with Black against Aronian does deserve 3 points. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | rogge: <tamar: Winning with Black against Aronian does deserve 3 points> Aronian rarely lose with white, but in his disastrous M-Tel earlier this year Topa, Chucky and Radja all managed to win with black against Levon. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | slomarko: in my opinion Aronian got a good position out of the opening but then started to missplay, first error came in this position:
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Aronian played Be3 which doesn't make too much sense. i'd prefer Nc4 then next 
click for larger view here he played Nb5!? better was surely e4 because in such position white has to avoid exchanging the pieces. finaly 
click for larger view i don't see the idea behind Ba3 in this position. it is way too slow. move 23 
click for larger view white is a clear pawn down and he still needs to recapture another pawn: a prove that his play after the opening was disastrous. from then on Carlsen played a good game to wrap up the victory. |
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Sep-02-08
 | | chancho: Magnus may find it hard going dealing with Anand at the moment, but apparently not with Aronian. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | acirce: Problem with 42.Qa4 is that Black can just take on e2. After 42..Qxe2 43.Qxa5 Qg4+, ..Qd1+, ..Qd5+ Black forces a queen exchange to reach a position that even I could win. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | metatron2: <slo>, we can all be very smart in post-mortem analysis, but during the game Aronian's decisions looked powerful and squeezing. And specifically regarding your: <Aronian played Be3 which doesn't make too much sense.>, I don't agree, it makes all the sense in the world to devlop the bishop with tempo, while removing the black Rook from the threatening b6 square and increasing the squeeze, all in the expanse of one pawn, that seemed like it can easily be restored at any point white would want to simplify. <here he played Nb5!? better was surely e4 because in such position white has to avoid exchanging the pieces.> Avoiding the exchange makes sense, but white's knight was in offside and it seemed like removing black's bishop can actually increase the squeeze (as I said, I think Aronian's mistake was actually on move 17 and not here). <i don't see the idea behind Ba3 in this position. it is way too slow.> The idea is obviously to transfer the bishop to the opened long diagonal and destroy the pawn structure that protects black's king. Obviously now u can see it is too slow, after Carlsen's accurate and resourceful play, but during the game it looked very dangerous for black. < white is a clear pawn down and he still needs to recapture another pawn: a prove that his play after the opening was disastrous.> No, it proves that with accurate play black could defend what looked like a powerful squeeze for white. <from then on Carlsen played a good game to wrap up the victory.> Actually from then on Carlsen played a Great Game. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | dycotiles: I thought that Aronian's bishop pair where more than enough compensation for the pawn. I still do not understand why he traded them. If he had tried to keep the bishops on the board, wouldn't it have been harder for Carlsen to win? |
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| Sep-02-08 | | slomarko: <I don't agree, it makes all the sense in the world to devlop the bishop with tempo, while removing the black Rook from the threatening b6 square and increasing the squeeze, all in the expanse of one pawn, that seemed like it can easily be restored at any point white would want to simplify.> no it does not. why give black the b2 pawn? it doesn't make too much sense. <Avoiding the exchange makes sense, but white's knight was in offside and it seemed like removing black's bishop can actually increase the squeeze> to me it didn't look that way. as soon as Aronian moved i said: this is a mistake <The idea is obviously to transfer the bishop to the opened long diagonal and destroy the pawn structure that protects black's king. Obviously now u can see it is too slow> no i got the feeling it won't work as soon as Aronian played it. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | dombi5678: If you want to beat Carlsen E-4 is the way to go. His dragon variation of the Sicilian is not good enough for tournaments over ElO 19!He has to many weapons against D-4. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | Mulyahnto: Apparantly 29. Qc2+ is not very accurate, as it just loses a tempo. After 29. .. f5, black's pawns are well placed to protect the king. Without black's f5, Qe1+ followed by Rd1 is not a threat. Therefore it was much more accurate to play 29. Ra4 at once. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | YouRang: <acirce: Problem with 42.Qa4 is that Black can just take on e2. After 42..Qxe2 43.Qxa5 Qg4+, ..Qd1+, ..Qd5+ Black forces a queen exchange to reach a position that even I could win.> Quite right. And I see white is not much better off by answering ...Qd1+ with Qe1, since ..Qxe1 Kxe1 [diagram:black to move]
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And black has a won K+P endgame. (Not sure <I> could win it, but surely Carlsen would.) |
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| Sep-02-08 | | mrbasso: I agree with metatron2. After 15.Nc4 Ra6 white does not have much. Aronjan played for a win, so 15.Be3 makes sense. White had good compensation for the pawn. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | dabearsrock1010: reminiscent of carlsen's win over adams Carlsen vs Adams, 2007 . in both carlsen gave up the initiative to go up a pawn and ended up winning. |
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Sep-02-08
| | tamar: Hard to say what happened, but it appears Aronian just ran out of ideas
once he had obtained a positional bind.
Kind of like swimming against Michael Phelps-you can get the lead, but it is hard to hold. |
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Sep-02-08
| | chancho: I actually thought Aronian was going to run Magnus over like a mack truck, but the kid shrugged the pressure off and stomped the Levon out of him. |
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| Sep-02-08 | | whiteshark: Labs output after <17.Nc4!>: 
click for larger view <17...Rxe2 18.Qd1 Ba6 19.Qxe2 d5 20.Rfc1 Qa8> which looks quite unclear 
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| Sep-02-08 | | apple pi: I don't understand the pawn sacrifice 15 Be3. It looks like an initiative grabbing move, but black didn't have very many weaknesses in the position. |
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