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Alexander Morozevich vs Vladimir Kramnik
Tal Memorial (2009), Moscow RUS, rd 3, Nov-07
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Classical Variation (E32)  ·  0-1


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Nov-07-09  ozmikey: Cracking game! I particularly like the way Kramnik manages to go onto the attack after beating off Moro's initial assault...just as you're expecting a consolidating move like 30...Qb5, he smashes open White's king's position. Great stuff.
Nov-07-09  nathanschulz: The last 4 games between these two have been decisive.
Nov-07-09  Raginmund: Nice to see some kramnik's haters saying that he is playing good chess... Three outstanding games...
Kramnik reveals that he knows everything OTB...

Today I could swear that there was no salvation for this game... I couldn't never, even with the computer, find a refutation for Morozevitch's attack...

Another great gem.

and I say... Kramnik always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nov-07-09  xeneizexxx: Is 10.Qxc7, winning a pawn, a bad move? Or Moro just prefered to keep queens on board.
Nov-07-09  Kaspablanca: Why not 10.Qxc7?
Nov-07-09  topi: Kramnik seems to be in shape, not the same for Carlsen!
Nov-07-09  topi: <Kaspablanca Why not 10.Qxc7?> . If Qc7..Qd5 and then Rc8 with possitional advantage for the pawn
Nov-07-09  Atking: 30...Qe4! Beautifull <Eyal>
Nov-08-09  rotgut: To A Karpov Fan: <is there some way I can flip the board around to watch from the Black side?>

Yes. Click on the double-arrowhead gadget at the lower-left corner of the chessboard, right next to a1.

Nov-08-09  kap54: Actually, you can click on any part of the left and bottom borders of the chessboard.
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  jaime gallegos: unfortunately Moro is just a Kramnik´s servant
Nov-08-09  DCP23: <jaime gallegos: unfortunately Moro is just a Kramnik´s servant>

Unfortunately some posters here prefer to talk out of some other orifices on their body instead of their mouths.

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  jaime gallegos: well ... ask the question to Topalov & Cheparinov too !
Nov-08-09  vlado23: <jamie gallegos> Moro has never worked as Kramnik's second, as far as I know.
Nov-08-09  minasina: <rotgut: To A Karpov Fan: <is there some way I can flip the board around to watch from the Black side?> Yes. Click on the double-arrowhead gadget at the lower-left corner of the chessboard, right next to a1.>

That option is apparently not available when there is live broadcasting going on. (So now you can do it because the game is now in the database.)

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  Jim Bartle: I don't see this mentioned. Wouldn't 22...exd5 lead to a smothered mate?
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  Eisenheim: <Jim Bartle> - good observation. 23 qxd5+ kh8 24 nf7+ kg8 25 nh6+ kh8 26 qg8+ rxg8 27 nf7#
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  Jim Bartle: I was just passing it along. I saw in analysis somewhere. But in time trouble, I wonder if a super-grandmaster might fall for it.

Ridiculous, of course. A great player like Kramnik would never fall into a mate in four (or less).

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  Eyal: <Ridiculous, of course. A great player like Kramnik would never fall into a mate in four (or less).>

During the world championship in Mexico, at the press conference after Kramnik vs Anand, 2007, I remember that some idiot journalist asked him if he saw the trap 29.Qxg5?? Ne2+ 30.Kh1 Qxh2+! 31.Kxh2 Rh8+ with mate next move, and Kramnik said "No, I usually miss this kind of thing".

Nov-09-09  minasina: <Kramnik would never fall into a mate in four (or less).> ...or mate in one, hehe :)
Nov-15-09  minasina: ...Guess the Move: 34. ...? (Black to play) Deep Fritz vs Kramnik, 2006
Nov-15-09  Manic: On that note, there is of course the famous game between Kramnik and Topalov where they BOTH missed a mate in 4 or something like that. Topalov vs Kramnik, 2006

Of course though, while in both the Anand and Moro games the opponent tried to lure Kramnik with bait which made Kramnik stop and think, in the Topalov and Fritz games there wasn't any real bait (i.e. hanging a piece or pawn), which probably resulted in Kramnik letting his guard down, although in the Topalov game he was probably already losing at that point and luckliy managed to hold on for a win.

Nov-16-09  cornflake: <topi: <Kaspablanca Why not 10.Qxc7?> . If Qc7..Qd5 and then Rc8 with possitional advantage for the pawn>

for and example of the 10.Qxc7?Qd5 line check out the game I Krush vs Gulko, 2009. Rc8 doesn't happen immediately in this line if white follows with 11.Qd6 but it does happen. Also 10...Qxc7 11.Bxc7 Rc8 probably also gives black a slight edge as well. Maybe Moro should have avoided 9.Bf4 and tried for 9.Bg5 instead.

Nov-18-09  nolanryan: i love the mating pattern in the final position, like scissors cutting across the board till the king can't run anymore
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  Penguincw: One of three games won by Kramnik, also one of three games lost by Morozevich.
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