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| Aug-07-12 | | david p: tnx Infohunter, I know someone said it |
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| Aug-07-12 | | Djoker: Qxf3 and its over. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | david p: Just checked. Infohunter was right |
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| Aug-07-12 | | Morten: The annoying white squared bishop gets the last word! |
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| Aug-07-12 | | Abdel Irada: <Death on the long diagonal> With 43. ...♕xf3!, Black obliterates White's gossamer defenses. This pseudo-sacrifice cannot be accepted: 44. gxf3?, ♖xh3†; 45. ♕h2, ♗xf3#. Declining it isn't much better: 44. ♕xf3, ♗xf3  with mate in five. One line: 45. ♗h7, ♖xh7; 46. ♗c5, ♖xh3†; 47. ♔g1, ♖xg2†; 48. ♔f1, ♖h1†; 49. ♗g1, ♖hxg1#. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | poszvald: 43, ..Qxf3
44, Qxf3 Bxf3 (44, gxf3 Rxh3 45, Qh2 Bxf3#)
45, gxf3 Rxh3#
Any other move by white and rooks+bishop can take basicly the king shelter. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | whiteshark: <43...Qxf3!>, and that's it. <Storming the barricades> comes to mind. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | El Trueno: I saw 43...Rxh3+ and that is also good solution cause 44.gxh3 Qxf3+ 45.Qxf3 Bxf3+ 46.Kh2 Rg2+ 47.Kh1 Rxc2+ and black has a big material advantage or 44.Rxh3 Rxg2 and mate in some moves |
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| Aug-07-12 | | Once: <El Trueno> 43...Rxh3? 44. Rxh3 Rxg2?? 45. Rh8+ Kd7 46. Qxf7#
click for larger viewI'm afraid that 43...Rxh3 doesn't work. It is mate in some moves, but unfortunately only for white! The side variation here is 44...Qxg2+ 45. Qxg2 Rxg2
click for larger viewThis ought to be a draw. White has to spend a move to hide his LSB from the discovered check, which means that black can get material or a perpetual. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | morfishine: Black is up an exchange and both his rooks are aimed straight at the White K-side. He would love to play Rxh3+, but only after the <g2> support is neutralized: <43...Qxf3> leaves white without a saving continuation: (1) <44.Qxf3 Bxf3> and here if <45.gxf3> then <45...Rxh3#> (45.Kg1 loses to 45...Rxg2+) (2) <44.gxf3 Rxh3+ 45.Qh2 Bxf3#> |
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| Aug-07-12 | | gofer: <43 ... Qxf3>
44 gxf3 Rxh3+ 45 Qh2 Bxf3#
<44 Qxf3 Bxf3>
White's position is hopeless...
Pawn moves don't work...
45 gxf3 Rxh3#
45 any other pawn move Rxh3+ 46 Kg1 Rxg2+ 47 Kf1 Rh1# King moves don't work...
45 Kh2 Rxg2+ 46 Kh1 Rxh3#
45 Kg1 Rxg2+ 46 Kf1 Rxh3 47 Bc5 Rh1+ 48 Bg1 Rxg1#
Bishop moves don't work...
45 Any bishop move Rxh3+ 46 Kg1 Rxg2+ 47 Kf1 Rh# |
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| Aug-07-12 | | zb2cr: 43. ... Qxf3 does it. It's easy to see that capturing the Queen with the Pawn doesn't work. A little more difficult is 44. Qxf3, Bxf3; 45. Kg1, Rxh3!; 46. Kf1, Rxg2 and mate next move. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | SuperPatzer77: <zb2cr: 43. ... ♕xf3 does it. It's easy to see that capturing the Queen with the Pawn doesn't work. A little more difficult is 44. ♕xf3, ♗xf3; 45. ♔g1, ♖xh3!; 46. ♔f1, ♖xg2 and mate next > <zb2cr> 45. ♔g1 ♖xg2+ (much better than 45...♖xh3), 46. ♔f1 ♖xh3 and mates next move. White has no defense against 47...♖h1#. <zb2cr> Your line is 45. ♔g1 ♖xh3, 46. ♔f2 - White King can excape from the checkmate SuperPatzer77 |
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| Aug-07-12 | | James D Flynn: White has B and P for a R but Black has strong pressure on the long diagonal bearing down on White’s K and the 2 Black rooks also on the Kside make the position ripe for combinations.
Candidates Qxf3, Rxh3, Rxg2.
43……Qxf3 44,Qxf3(if gxf3 Rxh3+ 45.Qh2 Bxf3#) Bxf3 46.Kg1(if gxf3 Rxh3#)Rxg2+ 47.Kf1 Rxh3 48,Bc5 bxc5 and there is no answer to Rh1# next.
43……Rxh3+ 44.Rxh3 Qxg2+(if Rxg2 45.Rh8+ Kd7 46.Qxf7#)45.Qxg2 Rxg2 46.Bd3(threat Bb5+ and Rh8# therefore Black must take the perpetual byRg5+ 47.Rg2+ Kh2).
43……Rxg2 44.Kxg2 Qxf3+ 45.Qxf3 Bxf3+ 46.Kxf3 Rxh3+ 47,Ke2 Rxc3 48Kd2 with a difficult ending in which Black’s R and 2 Pawn s look better than White’s 2 bishops. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | David2009: F Ghaledar vs J Arun, 2011 Black 43...? 43...Qxf3 wins a Rook for starters: 44.Qxf3 Bxf3 and if 45.gxf3 Rxh3#. Or 44.gxf3 Rxh3+ 45.Qh2 Bxf3#. Black has to avoid 43...Rxh3+?? 44.Rxh3 Rxg2 45.Rh8+ Kd7 46.Qxf7#.
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Yes. Amusing position posted by <Once>:
click for larger view (F Ghaledar vs J Arun 2011 variation 46?)
White to play and draw. Link to Crafty End Game Trainer:
http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... The gracious robot will accept a draw by repetition after the right first move. Prudence seems to be the better part of valour here, because attempts to win starting 46.Rh8+ seem to lose. Enjoy exploring the possibilities! |
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| Aug-07-12 | | YetAnotherAmateur: 43. ... Qxf3 is clear enough:
A) 44. gxf3 Rxh3+ 45. Qh2 Bxf3#
B) 44. Qxf3 Bxf3
B1) 45. gxf3 Rxh3#
B2) 45. Kg1 Rxg2+
B2a) 46. Kf1 Rxh3 followed by Rh1#
B2b) 46. Kh1 Rg3+ 47. Kh2 Rxh3#
B3) 45. Kh2 Rxg2+ 46. Kh1 Rxh3#
That's the easy part. The harder part is that if white refuses the sac, he's still lost: C) 44. Qg3 Rxh3+
C1) 45. Qxh3 Qxh3+ 46. Kg1 Qxg2#
C2) 45. Qh2 Qxg2#
C3) 45. Kg1 Rgxg3 followed by Rxg2# (or Qxg2#, but I think the rook is more stylish) D) 45. Qg1 Rxh3+ 46. Qh2 Qxg2#
E) Anything else Rxh3+ 45. Kg1 Rxg2+
E1) Qxg2 Qxg2#
E2) Kf1 Rh1# |
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| Aug-07-12 | | kevin86: The correct move is to chop the rook with the queen. If white tries to exchange queen,his game is a shambles and taking with the pawn leads to a mate in two.Therefore: a win is assured. |
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Aug-07-12
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44.gxf3 Rxh3+ 45.Qh2 Bxf3#;
44.Qxf3 Bxf3 45.gxf3 Rxh3#;
44.Qg1 Qxh3+ (44...Rxh3+, 44...Rxg2 and damn near anything else also wins). |
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| Aug-07-12 | | bachbeet: Got it. Black's Q can be taken but at a high cost. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | capanegra: Very nicely game played by Black! After 11… Qb6 derived into a French style position with the absence of the support d4 White Pawn, which made possible the d Pawn intrusion. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | zb2cr: Hi <SuperPatzer77>, Thanks for pointing out the quicker win. However, I think you are wrong in your assertion that my line lets White slip out with 46. Kf2. I admit that I made it harder than it had to be, but 46. ... Rxg2+; 47. Ke3 (the Rook on h3 protects the Bishop), Bd5+. Now two lines: a. 48. Kf4, g5#.
b. 48. Kd4, Rg4+; 49. Be4, Rxe4#.
It's possible I have missed something here, since my workplace doesn't allow anything but the text viewer. Again, thank you for pointing out the quicker win with 45. ... Rxg2+. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | Conrad93: Oops! I thought white had to move for the puzzle. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | lzromeu: Very nice game by black, style french defence <capanegra>. Not casteling makes the diference at the mate |
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| Aug-07-12 | | Patriot: Black is up the exchange for a pawn.
43...Qxf3 should win since 44.Qxf3 Bxf3 and white cannot recapture due to 45.gxf3 Rxh3#. Or 44.gxf3 Rxh3+ 45.Qh2 Bxf3#. |
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| Aug-07-12 | | desiobu: 43...kitchen sink! |
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