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Vassily Ivanchuk vs Magnus Carlsen
Tata Steel Masters (2015), Den Haag NED, rd 10, Jan-21
Queen's Gambit Declined: Ragozin Defense (D38)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Jan-21-15  Marmot PFL: 11 ed4 is more aggressive, but I don't blame Ivanchuk for avoiding an IQP against the world champ.
Jan-21-15  chessdgc2: But "never losing" doesn't mean "always winning" in chess. White has a host of tactical shots in the center, something NO ONE in this world wants to give Chuky. Black has to play accurate and he likely will :)
Jan-21-15
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  Penguincw: This game is now following M Roiz vs Adams, 2007.
Jan-21-15  waustad: Already?
Jan-21-15  Pedro Fernandez: <<moronovich>: Will der grosse Ivanchuk gewinnen geworden mit zufrieden zu sein gewären,ohne gemüse ?? I habe NEIN gesagt,geklart und damals und nicht weiter.> Gewähren? hmm..., I don't think so.
Jan-21-15  Marmot PFL: Well that was fast & easy chessbucks....
Jan-21-15  chessdgc2: I don't think Farlsen wants to draw, but it's looking that way...after 1...Bd5 2. Bc4 Bc6 3. Bb5, is Black standing good enuf to break the repetition?
Jan-21-15
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  Penguincw: Just like the Adams game, it ends in a repetition due to black not wanting to trade bishops.

Not sure what game to go to next. Liren-So might be a popular choice, but I prefer Jobava-Caruana (probably will see the Caruana rook, but too early to call). However, Saric-Giri are playing quickly.

No seriously though, half an hour of play is really short. I remember a couple of years ago there was a 90 minute game, and <that> was considered short.

FWIW: I'm one who prefers long, boring games played out to the point of nothingness than short games, even if they're decisive.

Jan-21-15  chessdgc2: CHESSGAMES.COM: Thank you so much for the broadcast! Will you switch us to another game or do we call it a day? :)
Jan-21-15
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  Domdaniel: <CG> Another game, please? *Any* other game.
Jan-21-15
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  Gypsy: <Penguincw: Just like the Adams game, it ends in a repetition due to black not wanting to trade bishops.>

Well, there is nothing in this position for Black to hang his hat on.

Jan-21-15  chessdgc2: Gypsy: You're right. Should Black have traded B's, he could have risked losing since White is clearly better due to development although it is possible Black could hold, but absolutely nothing more.
Jan-21-15
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  chancho: Carlsen certainly is a personable young man.

He's cracking up the audience.

Jan-21-15
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  perfidious: And they didn't play on???
Jan-21-15
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  whiteshark: They just have another rest at homewijk aan Zee
Jan-21-15
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  whiteshark: Carlsen was in good mood after the game (scrap this game) and commented on the other games (much more interesting)...
Jan-21-15  Caissanist: Wow, 2 pages of comments for today's live game.

As I recall, Chessgames originally decided to limit live games to one at a time because they were worried that the overwhelming load of users would crash their servers. I think nowadays that might not be a problem, LOL.

Jan-21-15  lost in space: Hmm, already draw. Thought I would see an intense fight.
Jan-21-15
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  OhioChessFan: I thought Maggie might want to keep his winning streak alive.
Jan-21-15
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  MissScarlett: The Magnificent Seven doesn't ride again.
Jan-22-15  Ulhumbrus: 8...dc suggests that Carlsen does not want to lose in the way that Aronian did in the game Carlsen vs Aronian, 2015 However it may be that Aronian gained a disadvantage in that game only because he played passively and did not try to choose a plan for his own counterplay
Jan-22-15  1d410: <OhioChessFan> As far as I can tell Magnus just doesn't care about beating Fab's record. He is already confident in himself.
Jan-23-15
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  diceman: <1d410: <OhioChessFan> As far as I can tell Magnus just doesn't care about beating Fab's record. He is already confident in himself.>

If draws are confidence, I guess losing to Wojtaszek was arrogance.

Jun-25-15
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  offramp: <OhioChessFan: <morfy: The mere concept that a word could contradict itself defies rationale analysis > See "moot" for another surprising example>

What OCF means is that "moot" means "up for discussion".

But some people, probably confusing the word with "mute", mistakenly think it means, "not worthwhile discussing", the opposite.

Aug-25-18  jabinjikanza: Good game .
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