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| Aug-17-05 | | capablancakarpov: Impressive child prodigy Gaston Needleman, 15 years old, finished tied in the 2nd position (8/11) of the American Continental Championship,with 7 spots for the 2007 WCC. Gaston´s rating performance was an astonishing 2655, considering that is rating is only 2242!! Unfortunately, in the tiebreak for the remaining 6 spots between 7 players ( Bruzon won with 8.5/11), Gaston finished last, so he won´t go to the WCC unless he gets an invitation. The remaining 6 spots were to Gata Kamsky,Julio Granda,Alexander Onischuk, Giovanni Vescovi, Ruben Felgaer and Gilberto Milos. http://www.ajedrez.com.ar/fide/cont... |
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| Aug-18-05 | | hongisto24: nice hair do |
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| Aug-18-05 | | PinkPanther: "Prodigy"?? I don't know what you people are smoking but this kid was most likely a one hit wonder with this tournament, and since when does being 2200 FIDE at the age ot 15 qualify you as a prodigy anymore? Need I remind you all that Karjakin was a GM at the age of 12? |
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| Aug-18-05 | | capablancakarpov: <PinkPanther> Yes,but i´m sure that you don´t know anything about Gaston to say that isn´t a prodigy. For example was impossible that he would be a GM at the age of 12, mainly because he began playing professional chess 2 years ago. And considering that before this tournament only had 74 elo games in his life, and that always play in Argentina in local tournaments with people that have an average elo of 2100, i would say that yes, for sure is a prodigy that would be a top 100 in 4 or 5 years, if no soon. PD: A one hit wonder??? Have you see his games against Kamsky or Shabalov? Please, get information before saying stupidities. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | shortsight: <capablancakarpov> I totally agree with you. <PinkPanther> has been known to saying stupid things, and stepping on other kibitzers' toes by calling names. He should be more fitted to sign in as "Scooby-Doo". |
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| Aug-18-05 | | Montreal1666: Where is he from? |
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| Aug-18-05 | | nsteinme: He's got to be gaining an incredible number of elo points for his strong showing at the continental - does anyone know how many? |
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| Aug-18-05 | | hongisto24: don't worry- pinkpanther says stupid things on ICC on a regular basis...he is worth censoring for his negativity |
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| Aug-18-05 | | PinkPanther: <hongisto24>
I'm not pinkpanther on the ICC, you fool. |
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| Aug-18-05 | | PinkPanther: <shortsight>
And I didn't call anybody names. |
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| Aug-19-05 | | Kaspablanca: Kamsky, Granda et al agreed to play short draws(even a 5 move draw) between themselves, but when they play Gaston they play to win so Gaston fisish 7th place and not going to WCC. What a shame to them!! |
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| Aug-19-05 | | iron maiden: Didn't Kamsky draw with Needleman? |
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| Aug-19-05 | | percyblakeney: Chessbase writes that Granda, Kamsky, Onischuk, Vescovi and Milos all agreed to very quick draws against each other in the tiebreak. "They would play just three or four moves against each other", but against Needleman they all played full games, so he had no time to rest between games. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| Aug-19-05 | | caissajim: What shameful behaviour by those 5 GM's. They acted just like Soviet bloc GM's against the young Bobby Fischer. Hopefully FIDE will have enough sense to extend Needleman an invitation into the next round. Tournament organizers should shun those 5 guys and not invite them to any tournaments for the next year to show the disgust everyone feels. |
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| Aug-19-05 | | Akavall: Shame to Granda, Kamsky, Onischuk, Vescovi and Milos!!! |
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| Aug-19-05 | | aw1988: Very much so. This is unacceptable. |
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| Aug-19-05 | | pkjohn146: This is disgraceful, if it indeed happened the way it was reported. But apparently there is no record of the games. I would like to hear the whole story and not just a reporter from Gaston's backyard. But yes, if this is how it was, these GM's have resorted to something out of professional wrestling. FIDE should ban them from the Tournament, as the term "Champion" is unknown to them. |
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Aug-19-05
 | | WannaBe: There was no record of the games because tie-breaker was blitz/speed chess? |
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Aug-19-05
 | | TheAlchemist: <WannaBe> Tiebreaks were 15+10, but the club that hosted it, doesn't have chessboards with sensors, so the scores weren't made, or at least that's how I understand it. |
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Aug-19-05
| | WannaBe: <TheAlchemist> Hum, ah... I see, I see. |
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| Aug-19-05 | | ChessMan94: I would have never expected such behaviour from these grandmasters. I think FIDE should denounce this shameful tie-break and invite Gaston to the World Cup. To gang up against the youngster shows no sportsmanship from those six. |
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Aug-19-05
| | WannaBe: <ChessMan94: I would have never..> Oh, I can see it happen, as long as the format allows this kind of 'loop-hole'.
Whether they are GM, IM, FM, sometimes pride and everything else goes out the window. |
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| Aug-19-05 | | WMD: <I would have never expected such behaviour from these grandmasters.> You're young. You'll learn. |
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| Aug-19-05 | | centercounter: <ChessMan94: I would have never expected such behaviour from these grandmasters. I think FIDE should denounce this shameful tie-break and invite Gaston to the World Cup. To gang up against the youngster shows no sportsmanship from those six.> My response will be very unpopular... he's still 2242 and this is only one result. I agree the behavior of the GMs shows both cowardice and dishonesty (and they deserve some sort of formal FIDE reproach), but if a 35 year old with a 2242 ELO had any expectaton of a FIDE invitation even after such an injustice, he'd be laughed out of his chess club. Basically, the outcry for a special invitation is just as much because he's 15 as his result. I understand there's a "popular" reason to invite exceptional youth players to major FIDE events, but I think the FIDE World Championship is just not the place to do it. The WC cycle should be, IMHO, open only to qualifiers, no additional nominations. I like the old Zonal/Interzonal/Candidates format, but it seems too unwieldy, expensive, and slow these days. If Gaston continues to show results like these, a legitimate qualification will eventually come his way. Until then, FIDE should invite only those who qualify via either rating or tournaments. |
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| Aug-19-05 | | ongyj: Granda, Kamsky, Onischuk, Vescovi and Milos ... With their despicable conspiracies they gained entrance to the World Cup, at the cost of disdaining not only themselves but also the goodness of Chess. I bet they could be remembered for their atrocities for a long, long time... Perhaps I've made the right choice by retiring from Chess after all :) |
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