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| May-03-06 |
| Milo: In fact white isn't really making progress with 11.Ke1 Qe4+! 12.Be2 Qxh1+ 13.Bf1 Qe4+ etc., so white (if he wants to win) can only try 13.Kf2 Qxf2+ 14.Ke2 which looks awful |
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| May-03-06 |
| Alex S.: I don't think so. 8. Bb5+, or even any Bishop development, destroys all hopes in Black - my win was based on the temptation of the free knight. And yes, your line is better for Black if White decides on 11. Ke1, and is content with a draw. If back and forth started to occur, I'd just take the Rook, but Milo seems to have found a good way for White to start having a go afterwards. C'est la vie. I was just pleased that I found a twelve-move with the Damiano. |
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May-07-06
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| tpstar: The Damiano Defense has been extensively analyzed on this site King's Knight Opening (C40) and please review my post from 3/27/04. It is bad for Black - bad bad bad - but good for White to know because the Main Line is an easy win. After 6 ... Qxe4+ 7. Kd1 is correct, then on 7 ... d5 <cuendillar> was right that 8. Bb5+ wins = 8 ... Kd8 9. Re1 with a mate threat (10. Re8#), or 8 ... Kf7 9. Re1 with a mate threat (10. Be8#), or 8 ... c6/Bd7/Nd7/Ke7 9. Re1 wins the Queen. Also note 8. Bb5+ Kf7 (defending the Ng8) 9. Re1 Bg4+?! 10. f3 Bxf3+ 11. gxf3 Qxf3+ 12. Be2 followed by 13. Rf1(+) and Black is lost. |
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| May-07-06 |
| Isolani: *RETRACTION*
<...well over a century earlier>
Actually I should have inscribed "in the prior century" instead, the very late 1400's in fact. It is believed that Lucena wrote the Gottingen manuscript in 1497, according to the late chess scholar Victor Place, in which the opening later to be known as the Damiano Defense was mentioned.
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| Oct-14-06 |
| Far1ey: Damiano's Defence isn't named after him. Apparently he knew the defence was bad but the e4 e5 nf3 f6?! opening stuck with his name... |
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| Oct-27-06 |
| jstevens1: What about this scenario?
1. e4 e5
2. ktf3 f6
3. Bc4
I've had that played against me but have found no good reply? Has anyone faced this move? Please let me know. jstevens1 |
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Oct-27-06
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| Karpova: 3...Nc6 is probably black's best try but 2...f6 is so bad that white still has a clear edge |
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| Oct-29-06 |
| 2021: <Karpova> 3.... Nc6 is losing:
4.Qh5+ Ke7 5.Qf7+ Kd6 6.Nc4+ Kc5 7.Qd5+ Kb4 8.a3+ Ka4 9.b3# (or 9.Nc3#) |
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| Oct-29-06 |
| 2021: you can see some of my analysis on King's Knight opening (C40). |
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Oct-29-06
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| Karpova: <2021>
true, 3....Nc6 is losing cause 2...f6 is bad but it doesn't lose like in your line.
I was answering <jstevens1>'s question and in his line there's a knight on f3 so 4.Qh5+ would not be possible... |
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| Oct-29-06 |
| 2021: <Karpova>Sorry about that then. |
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| Oct-29-06 |
| 2021: The Damiano Defense pretty bad. Greco said it was bad as long ago as 1620. |
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Oct-30-06
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| Karpova: <Greco said it was bad as long ago as 1620.> True, but Damiano discovered this fact long before Greco |
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| Nov-01-06 |
| 2021: <Karpova> Yes that is true, but why does it say is game was played in 1801 when he lived in the 1500's? |
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Nov-01-06
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| Calli: <Isolani> is correct, Pedro Damião (1480-1544), he was actually Portugeuse, although the book was published in Italian, did not recommend the opening. It is another example of someone getting credit or, in this case, the blame for an opening, undeservedly. I don't think any games of his exist. The game listed here was played by Greco: Greco vs NN, 1620
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| Feb-21-07 |
| viriol: Indeed, he was portuguese. And his real name was Damião, Damiano is an italian version. In fact, in his book he says this defense is the worst reply for that situation. |
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| Oct-27-07 |
| Chess Carnival: Maybe in 2021 we'll have a Damiano revival.. Who knows? |
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Jul-10-08
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| whiteshark: General advice, given in his book <Questo Libro e da imparare
giucare a scachi>, published in 1512:
<1. Do not make aimless moves. <2. Do not play quickly.
<3. Avoid obvious oversights. <4. Do not play to win a pawn at the cost of weakening your position. <5. Try to maintain your King pawn
and Queen pawn (and, if possible, the two Bishop pawns) on their
fourth squares.
<6. When you have a good move, look for a better one."> > > > > > Figure out how to say this slightly differently in 100 different
books for beginners and you will be as rich as . . .
Post your suggestion at ahmadov chessforum Hey, it's summer, let's be nice. :D
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Jul-11-08
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| whiteshark: <Damiano's Defence <1.e5 e5 2.Nf3 f6>> "The name given to this has not helped Damiano's reputation, but the truth is that he wrote that 2...Nc6 was the best reply to 2.Nf3, that 2...d6 was weak, and that 2...f6 was bad. Ruy Lopez de Segura (1561) named <2...f6> "Damiano's Gambit"; much of his book was devoted to trying to prove that his analysis was better than Damiano's, and the name was part of his negative propaganda." Hugh Edward Myers, MOB 34 (3q84) |
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| Feb-11-09 |
| felixbb: Alex Magnus said: "First, Lucena lived the same time as Damiano (You can find even a game between the both). " But where's the game? Can someone write it here please? |
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May-21-09
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| vonKrolock: <"In 1997,the chess player and composer Rui de Carvalho Nascimento founded in Lisbon the <Tertúlia Damiano de Odemira>, with the participation of Gabriel Mariz Graça, José Vinagre, Vasco Santos, Mário Silva Araújo, Pedro Silva Araújo, Dagoberto Markl, M.I. Joaquim Durão e António Pedro Vinagre. The 'Tertúlia' sin not exclusivelly dedicated to chess , but also to various themes - cultural, artistical, cientifical or literary."> Nascimento, born June 14th 1914, a recognized chess composer and author (wikipedia article in portuguese) http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_de... perhaps the eldest active chess composer. His reminiscences include accounts of his memories on Alekhine's staying in Portugal. |
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Aug-26-09
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| Knight13: <In spite of his denouncement of 2...f6, the opening 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 is now known as "Damiano's Defense".> Whoever coined this defense to his name must've hated Damiano to stinkin' heaven. Who the hell wants to be named after a blunder move, especially when he himself has harshly condemned it? |
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| Oct-26-09 |
| Qb6: <<In spite of his denouncement of 2...f6, the opening 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 is now known as "Damiano's Defense".> Whoever coined this defense to his name must've hated Damiano to stinkin' heaven. Who the hell wants to be named after a blunder move, especially when he himself has harshly condemned it?> Uh, isn't 3.  xe5  e7 fine for Black? |
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Oct-26-09
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| alexmagnus: 3.Nxe5 is not the strongest move. 3.Bc4 is. |
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| Oct-26-09 |
| Qb6: I can see that. Face it, if you want to play 3. ... e7 to skewer, why not play 2. ... a6? That doesn't weaken your king position. |
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