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Jan-10-07
 | | Domdaniel: OK, folks, it's time to start a new religion. I occasionally claim to be a member of the Harvey's Bristol Witnesses, but they don't have any actual beliefs, so they don't count. In fact it's been over 50 years since L. Ron "If I wanted to make a million dollars I'd start a religion" Hubbard made the last significant advance in this direction, using cast-off US Navy lie detectors (galvanic skin resistance, measurement of) as sacramental objects... Time for a change. I personally have no ambitions to be prophet, messiah, pope, or author of the holy book. Charisma always ends up being routinized by the bureaucrats anyway. Just set me up with a quiet little number in the inquisition department, I'll be happy. Meanwhile, we'll probably need a tenet or two... How about this: the deliberate destruction of a chess engine, except in case of upgrade (please provide serial number and proof of purchase), shall be regarded as murder. Other types of computer are fair game. |
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Jan-10-07
 | | Domdaniel: Before I forget - the word for today is: in |
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Jan-10-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> Remember Eco's writing on the (non-)authenticity of Paris in Dumas' novels - eg streets that didn't exist yet during the period in question - plus the whole matter of anachronism vs error? And whether the distinction matters. I've interviewed film directors (Peter Greenaway, Ken McMullen) who consciously inserted visual anachronisms in historical scenes, partly to break through the dominant conventions of period film. But errors do occur in fiction. Pynchon is full of playful anachronisms but this one, from Mason & Dixon, seems to be of a different order: Mason (then a surveyor) and Dixon (assistant astronomer royal) meet for the first time, c. 1752. Dixon, trying to impress with his reading, says "I've been taught the lot, Celestial Mechanics, all the weighty lads, Laplace and Kepler, Aristarchus..." Hmm. Pierre Simon de Laplace was born in 1749, making him about three at the time. He published his Celestial Mechanics in 5 volumes between 1799 and 1825. I know this because I've been reading it: the bits I actually understand are magnifique... An obscure Pynchonian joke or an authorial cock-up? Or an editorial slip, something that gets worse every year...? I don't trust the <gotcha> mentality that likes to pounce on such errors, but other readings would be interesting. |
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Jan-10-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom>
<In> reference to new religions, or novel ones, any of you <in> to <Lex Lutheranism> yet? <In> case you haven't heard of it, it <in>volves worshipping Kryptonite, hating <Superman> and subsisting solely on a <Diet of Worms> <In> all s<in>cerity, Jess |
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| Jan-10-07 | | boz: How about a religion that says we are all equal in the pursuit of unhappiness, and right and wrong remain steadfastly undefined. By the way <Domdaniel> if you are curious about the Burroughs-Juvenal connection (I know, it's been awhile) compare Js piece on Greeks , < in the third satire to Burroughs' "do-rights" <Doctor, when I die I want to be buried right in the same coffin with you> from, I forget which book. The penguin translation of Juvenal by Peter Green is good (but you probably know Latin, Greek and Egyptian hieroglyphs too). Of course I was thinking of Burroughs the satirist, not the junkie and wife-killer. Same guy, I guess. Now that I think of it, Juvenal is really more like Celine, anyway. |
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| Jan-10-07 | | Artar1: Domdaniel:
The party has already started for the Yury match! Come and enjoy the fun! Chessgames Challenge: Y Shulman vs The World, 2007 |
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| Jan-11-07 | | Elixir of Life: Elixir of Life: <Domdaniel> Will you be playing in the Yury Shulmann vs The World game? It'll be great if you can continue to provide us with insight! |
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| Jan-11-07 | | Eyal: <Remember Eco's writing on the (non-)authenticity of Paris in Dumas' novels - eg streets that didn't exist yet during the period in question - plus the whole matter of anachronism vs error? And whether the distinction matters.> Yes, that's "The Strange Case of the Rue Servandoni", right? Very good article. Regarding the Pynchon example, then in Eco's terms you're probably being a "paranoid [what else?] reader" rather than a "model reader" (or even a normal "empirical reader"). From the reader's viewpoint, I suppose one of the main considerations in such cases is whether you can find for the detail a place within a wider textual pattern (in which case it would tend to look significant), or whether it remains no more than an isolated quirk. In some cases, though, we're obviously dealing with a pervasive - and "creative" - use of anachronism. This is a major device in what may be termed the post-modernist historical novel (or fantasy) - e.g., Fowles' "The French Lieutenant's Woman", Fuentes' "Terra Nostra", or Reed's "Mumbo Jumbo". There's an excellent description and analysis of this phenomenon, btw, in the chapter "Real, Compared to What?" from Brian McHale's book "Postmodernist Fiction". Mchale discusses it within the framework of the general thesis of his book, which is that postmodernist fiction has an "ontological dominant" - i.e., foregrounds ontological issues and problems - as opposed to the "epistemological" one of modernism. At one point he mentions "Gravity's Rainbow" as an example of a more delicate sort of anachronism - one that relates to characters' mentality: <The mentality of Pynchon's characters, notably Slothrop but also lesser figures such as Roger Mexico, Seaman Bodine, or Säure Bummer, seems to flicker back and forth betwwen the 1940s and the 1960s>. |
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| Jan-11-07 | | Eyal: (Sigh) Did I actually write this? <betwwen> the 1940s and the 1960s?? It apeeeares so. Maybe I was thinking of ww2 in the Pynchon context. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | OhioChessFan: TY greatly, <domdaniel> This has been an exhilirating experience for a never quite a player. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: The Nickelodeon has stopped. Victory is surprisingly sweet. Well done, everyone. When you weren't lofting polysyllables back and forth across the net, you also played some superb chess. I really think <twinlark>'s forum system was the key. Without it, the single-page analysis would have been much more confused -- even Thorsson would have had less impact. We might have fallen back on RV's engine baseline -- which was also vital, but was never going to be enough on its own. Moves like 18.Qd2! needed human planning. Wow. Well done, all. Even the spectators and spectatrices. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: The word for the day is: [resigns].
Now both fictions end together. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> We're all flickering at the moment. Nice to see you mention Ishmael Reed - a great writer. I read Mumbo Jumbo because Pynchon mentions it in Gravity's Rainbow, then went on to others like Yellow Back Radio Broke Down. Aren't we all paranoid readers? As the man sez, the antiparanoid state - where nothing connects to anything - cannot be endured for long. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <boz> Only Latin, I'm afraid, and even that's a bit rusty. I just can't find the time to pop back to ancient Rome and brush up on it at source... I've read plenty of books <about> ancient writing systems, but to actually decrypt them is a few orders of magnitude too much for me. When Champollion and Thomas Young deciphered the Rosetta Stone, each had a good grounding in Coptic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin, just for starters... no wonder Young was known as 'the phenomenon'... |
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| Jan-11-07 | | boz: <Domdaniel> I used to like Latin in the same way I like chess -concision, harmony, logic - but then I tried to translate "Neon Meate Dream of an Octafish"... Nice game against Nickel. The mob rules! |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <boz> - <How about a religion that says we are all equal in the pursuit of unhappiness, and right and wrong remain steadfastly undefined.> During my first few years in university, the annual registration form had a box for religion: I used to make one up each time. Harvey's Bristol Witnesses was one. Another was Paradoxical Hedonism (one who seeks pleasure but knows it can't be found). Callow, I know. Then my girlfriend got a part-time job in college admin, and discovered that made-up religions were always added to the 'Catholics' pile. On the grounds that only lapsed RCs would bother inventing such tripe, and what right had the young pups to lapse in the first place...? That's when I realized that the 'official' statistics of the old Ireland (up to the 1970s) were seriously skewed - the ones that claimed the country was 96% Catholic, 3% Church of Ireland, 0.8% 'other' Christians, 0.1% Jewish, 0.09% Muslim, and 0.01% everything else. It was all sham, and it collapsed very suddenly. The university dropped the religion question soon after. |
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| Jan-11-07 | | Eyal: <Also I plan to play some actual chess in a few weeks, which I haven't done since the game began.> Just curious: do you feel this game had helped to build your confidence in OTB play, or will it actually be more difficult (not to say terrifying) to play now without an engine and a team on your side? And when will you have again the chance to play moves like 18.Qd2 or 36.b4? |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <JDK> I can see the Spike story about Portsmouth becoming the stuff of future legend. <And great King Spike - last of the notorious Windsor-Milligan Dynarchs - waved his broadsword in the air, and spake: "Portsmouth, old son, it's room 101 for you, so be off with ye now before I set my Q on ye..." And lo, it came to pass, verily.> Assuming that a Spike can be said to have Spake, of course. Why do they talk like hobbits in the post-meltdown 31st century? Because they learn it from the last surviving copy of Lord of the Rungs, a sacred relic (missing bits filled in by techno-scribes) held in the Brutish Museum on the Isle of Wales. Portsmouth itself will have been long submerged, but Avalon-style legends linger on... a golden ladder emerging from the deeps, the king ascending, rung by rung... <And Poormouth shall rise from the ocean depths, and King Spike shall return to rule it out and relegate it...> |
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| Jan-11-07 | | noctiferus: <Dom: really think <twinlark>'s forum system was the key> Fully agreed: ORGANIZATION was one of the winning cards we played into the game. Whether we will meet again for other games (I warmly hope it will happen), let's not forget this key issue. About the organizational matter, am I allowed to make a suggestion? Due to family and job engagements, my help in the team was limited to spot contributions: when I came back to the team, it was really hard to understand which lines were under discussion in some posts. May I suggest that, in future games, EVERYBODY posted the whole proposed line, starting from the current position? It would save some effort in reconstructing the whole line, and a lot of misunderstandings. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Elixir> Thanks, but right now I'm not planning to join in the Shulman game. This one took too much out of me. As I said to <twinlark> it's time to let the next generation run things... Of course I might get bored in a few days and change my mind. But at most it would be occasional analysis rather than the total immersion experience. But no-one is indispensable, and definitely not me. The Nickel game has taught us the strength in depth of the CG/World team. Good luck... playing Black will be a real challenge. |
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| Jan-11-07 | | Eyal: He thought he saw a Argument
That proved he was the Pope:
He looked again, and found it was
A Bar of Mottled Soap.
'A fact so dread,' he faintly said,
'Extinguishes all hope!'
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <boz> Captain Beefheart? I remember a rebus-style picture puzzle in a magazine, showing headgear (cap), a can of beans (tin), and a stripey insect emitting a puff of gas (bee-fart). Actually, I'm just stalling while I try to translate him into Latin. If he was a Renaissance scholar he might have been Donaldus Vlietius (from Don Van Vliet). But the full Imperial version ought to be something like <Capitaneus Cardiacus Bovis>. The interesting little word 'Cardophagus' does not mean an eater of hearts. My 4-year-old niece told me at Christmas that she wanted to eat Santa Claus's heart. For a moment I wondered if she was being brought up Aztec-style... parents are capable of anything these days if it's fashionable enough... but Santa proved to be made of chocolate, with a big heart on the outside. Cardophagus means 'nettle eater'. I must try to drop that into a conversation and see who gets stung. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Eyal> Thanks for the very clever "Pope" poem. I'm assuming my previous post was deleted by chessgames.com because any form of the word <Billy Connely> uses in the final line of his hilarious stand-up routine about the Pope is not allowed in here? <Dom> if you ever deleted one of my posts, know that I would never be incensed. I understand that I am a guest when I post in anyone's forum. Yours is obviously one of my favorites. Cheers, this forum is quite a bit more educational than my actual classes, Jess (I hope I don't get kicked out of chessgames.com like poor old <Bufon>) |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> - <Just curious: do you feel this game had helped to build your confidence in OTB ...?>
I haven't got a clue. Last March I played in my first tournament since 1989, and did OK - W2, D2, L2, one loss being to a 2300-rated FM and the other to a fast-rising junior. Although in the past I was quite good at beating fast-rising juniors just before they rose too far.
I was quite pleased with one of my wins, as Black in a Winawer French. The other win was a mess: I sac-blundered a rook, then swindled a totally unsound mate. Horrible. I'd played very little chess for years before that -- although I'd always continued to analyze games with engine assistance. Maybe I'm just less interested in the purely competitive side: I know I lack the will to win I see in others, let alone the Fischer/Kasparov killer instinct. As a result I've always drawn too many games - going through weekend tournaments unbeaten, but out of the prizes. Once, in a strong-ish (2000-2400 range) tournament, I had seven draws. None of them easy, and some quite sharp: but they all somehow balanced out in the end. One bit of preparation I did last year - given that I usually open 1.Nf3 and play positionally - was to play a lot of wild gambits - Muzio, Belgrade, etc - against various engines. It sharpened me up. I considered a new opening repertoire, then reasoned that would take a lot of work, and waste the accumulated experience of the old openings. So I tried out some new variations and transpositions instead. I'd meant to play again soon, but haven't had the chance. But next week's tournament is literally across the street, so I have no excuse. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Lex Lutheranism sounds interesting, but does the Diet of Worms include a veggie option? Vermicelli, maybe? Or one for the Anagram Menu, with a mini-narrative thrown in: Whig met lord.
- Weight, M'Lord?
- Worm Delight?
Also, most religions - Lutheran or otherwise - already have too much Lex in them. As in The Law. Wasn't it Rufus and Martha's Dad, Loudon Wainwright, who had a song going "I can walk on water and I can raise the dead/ It's easy, I'm the Way..."? God songs? REM, too obvious. God is Mad, by Alberto y Los Trios Paranoias: a tad obscure ("And if there is a God/ Why should He be sane?/ He's probably a raving fruitcake..."). The best line, as so often, goes to John Cale: "Nothing frightens me more/ than religion at my door..." |
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