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 | | Sally Simpson: "This thread on 960 should be moved to the cafe."
Or somehow lost in the ether. :)
I've never played it nor have I played over a 960 game. (OK I'm a chess snob). It must be nigh impossible for the average player to play a 960 game blindfold. I can play one game unseen absolutely no problem at all...but a 960? It somehow looks odd and ugly to see the original array set up as if a child has put the pieces on the board. I cannot get my head around it all. (though I have to admit some of my games 10 moves after the opening do look as though they have come from a 960 game.) |
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| Sep-12-14 | | Mr. Bojangles: <Sep-11-14
OneArmedScissor: <SugarDom: True chess lovers would like the game/sports to be practiced by the masses. So bye mr. extinction Everett...>
True chess lovers would like you to stop posting.>Lmaooo so true! |
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| Sep-12-14 | | Mr. Bojangles: <Sally Simpson: It is not these super tournmanets like the one on this thread that keep chess going. (though to me a six player double-header is not a super tournament. A 20 player double-header, that's a super tournament.) It's the grass roots level players who buy the books, DVD's etc... The lads who play in the minor sections of the tournaments, the lads who play in league matches, the home and casual players. They/we, love the game. We enjoy playing, reading and talking about the game..> You can't be more right. These amateurs are the reason chess is alive and cannot die not what is happening in the professional sphere. Those who are not happy know where the door is instead of whining. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | vkk: <RubinSteinitz:>
Is t bad that I don't own a clock and play 2 club games a week and then a quad every month |
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| Sep-12-14 | | Absentee: The reason chess is alive are, unbeknownst to most, furry little animals that scurry out at night and replace your misplaced pieces or turn the knights the right way. But even more importantly, they fill the world with chess, which is in fact a byproduct of their digestive system. Now with the advent of computer chess the existence of our shy industrious friends is in dire danger: many of them feel inadequate and without a purpose, and some have even taken to drinking! So the next time you fire up your chessbase, think about it. Be responsible and do your part for sustainable chess. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <Sally Simpson: "This thread on 960 should be moved to the cafe." Or somehow lost in the ether. :)>
LOL yes, this ugly admorition should wander too close to a black hole to be sucked away forever. And any one who attempts to make any changes to our beloved pastime should be swept away by a lynch mob. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | SugarDom: <RubinSteinitz: RubinSteinitz: <SugarDom: You are all wrong, because it was popular in Russia during Botvinnik's time. It can happen again.>
Look it up <SugarDom>, Chess 960 was invented and advocated by Bobby Fischer (also called Fischerrandom) and was not publicly announced until 1996. Please get your facts straight. (This thread on 960 should be moved to the cafe.)> You should have your reading comprehension fixed. I was talking about chess, not 960. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <vkk: <RubinSteinitz:> Is t bad that I don't own a clock and play 2 club games a week and then a quad every month.> Is it something you truely wish to do? And do you have the faculties to accomplish this endeavor whence a chess clock happen in your hand? |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <SugarDom:> I stand corrected sir. There was so much throwing around about changing our beloved game that I got the impression you were talking about 960. Sorry. But I will repeat what I stated in another post and that is if in any stipulation that someone should try to change anything regarding our beloved pastime, they should be swept away by a lynch mob. Our beloved chess is in perfect health and anybody who tries to doctor it in any way is a bonified knucklehead... |
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| Sep-12-14 | | schweigzwang: BonaFIDE? |
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| Sep-12-14 | | SirRuthless: I don't agree... When games can pretty much be won from home, I think that signifies a real problem with the health of the game at the top level. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | vkk: Could i buy a clock? Yes.
But do i want to? Nope lol. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | Mr. Bojangles: <Our beloved chess is in perfect health and anybody who tries to doctor it in any way is a bonified knucklehead...> Absolutely! |
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| Sep-12-14 | | SirRuthless: There is nothing wrong with wanting to ameliorate the effects of supercomputers on the game. Morphy is rolling in his grave. If the old greats knew what was happening on the frontiers of opening theory they would be absolutely disgusted. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <vkk: Could i buy a clock? Yes. But do i want to? Nope lol.>
Good luck to you then. :) You know, I think chess is a lot like life. It is not a spectator sport; you can't sit on the sidelines and just watch it go by. To get the full enjoyment out of life or chess, you must participate. Participate and you will get the full benefits of its potential. Otherwise you miss out on so much! That is what I told my students specifically about life and getting an education and added chess when appropriate such as at my chess club meetings. But I used chess in my math activities too. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <SirRuthless: I don't agree... When games can pretty much be won from home, I think that signifies a real problem with the health of the game at the top level.> So what is your proposed solution? |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: Thank you for your support <Mr. Bojangles>! |
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| Sep-12-14 | | SirRuthless: An increased number of 960 events and the de-emphasis on classical chess from a pure numbers perspective would be a start. I think there is still a place for Classical but the marketplace is flooded with classical events that can't sell enough tickets to fill their spectator viewing areas. Terrible optics. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <SugarDom: >You are all wrong, because it was popular in Russia during Botvinnik's time. It can be again.> Just wanted to mention that chess is even more popular today thanks to former World Champion Bobby Fischer mostly. I think the Polgar sisters helped along with Ivanchuk, Topalov and other attacking style players. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <SirRuthless: An increased number of 960 events and the de-emphasis on classical chess from a pure numbers perspective would be a start. I think there is still a place for Classical but the marketplace is flooded with classical events that can't sell enough tickets to fill their spectator viewing areas. Terrible optics.> To tickets not being filled, don't you think the World economy has something to do with it? I feel that bending our game out of shape is not going to hide the boredom if one is so inclined to be. Draws are a fact of chess. And again it is purported that we have close to 60% of a billion chess players in the world. Hardly seems like a problem to me. The Sinquefield Cup had 36,000 viewers at one point that I checked and the viewing area, though a bit small, was full a good majority of the time. A great success imho. Lastly, chess, like life, is not a spectator sport. Those of us who choose to play, do. To change our beloved chess, may cause chess playing people TO NOT PLAY. Making the situation worse not better. No matter what, my respect goes out to you SirRuthless. :) |
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| Sep-12-14 | | kellmano: I really don't fancy trawling through these pages looking for the chess960 games. Any kind soul care to let me know if they are on this site anywhere? |
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| Sep-12-14 | | SirRuthless: I simply think the game has been perverted by supercomputers and the only way to save it is to defrock the crooked priests. 960 does a great job of that. I am not advocating the abolition of classical chess. I am advocating that more 960 events be held a more normal time controls is all. I am not sure how someone can claim to be a purist when there is nothing pure about supercomputers destroying the game from both sides. We can save one side of it for a while(960) but the other side of it (endgames) will continue to be solved and that wave cannot be stopped. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <SirRuthless: I simply think the game has been perverted by supercomputers > Seems to me that supercomputers can pervert chess960 just as easy if that is really what's going on here. Personally, I love to set up my 55 in monitor/TV with a couple of computer kibitzers during a high end chess match because the true beauty of chess lies not usually in what is played but in variations NOT PLAYED. The computer can lead me to those unplayed morsels of gold. One only needs to pour over an annotated game played by Fischer as an example to see the possibilities. |
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| Sep-12-14 | | SirRuthless: <<Seems to me that supercomputers can pervert chess960 just as easy if that is really what's going on here.> That is why I said
<We can save one side of it for a while(960)<>> but the other side of it (endgames) will continue to be solved and that wave cannot be stopped.> >By the way, I do not agree with your "just as easy" remark. With 960 different starting positions possible(-1 for the classical RNBBQKBNR setup), computers will have their hands full for a while longer. 960 removes prep from the system to a large extent because it is impossible to anticipate what setup you will be faced with. this is truly a new frontier. Show up at the board and just play chess without worrying what Intel has cooked up for you that morning. I think it would be liberating and cannot imagine why anyone would resist the idea. Can you explain what is wrong with it? |
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| Sep-12-14 | | RubinSteinitz: <SirRuthless,> would you agree that most of us can't remember doodle about what a computer comes up with. And the players whose memories can even remember time of conception don't need to bother with them? If you do agree, then where is there anything of trouble? |
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